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Andrew Lanning
03-10-2019, 05:09 PM
Hey guys,

New to tracking a motorcycle.
I have been racing cars through NASA and WRL since 2012 and am transitioning to bikes.
I came across a deal I couldn’t pass up on a race prepped 2002 GSXR 750, I would have preferred something in a lower class.. but, the price was right for a “starter” bike.

That being said—-

Tech Regs
This bike last saw the track in... 2009-2010? And had been raced with MCRA, CMRA, and CCS from pre2005-2009. To the best of my knowledge.

Assuming this bike met all of the tech regs in 2009-2010 when time bike was last gone through... what regs have changed that I should be aware of that may require major updates to components for legality?

So far 5.3gg stands out as far as case covers/replacements are concerned. I’m not sure what others are doing for bikes that either have rare non-oem replacements or replacements that just flat out do not exist.
Am I to assume as well that a race fairing kit “covering” these areas do not satisfy this rule?


Tires
Other major question: I most likely will not be at the level necessary to race within my first year or two. (This is just speculation and I’m no motorcycle savant.) There are quite a few tire options to select from... And my auto racing background says don’t use DOT race compounds unless you understand what lesser compounds tell you through physical and audible feedback.
Not wanting to waste a tires ability with my newbie abilities, am I better off not breaking the bank and going with a set of semi-more aggressive street tires to learn on? Or do I just hop right to an aggressive compound?
What compounds do you recommend for learning that have multiple weekend longevity to increase seat time?
Later on... what compounds are people running “competitively”? Can I expect more than one weekend out of these tires as far as “tread depth” is concerned, regardless of heat cycling?


Gear
I like my skull.... a lot...
Is there any reason to not justify the purchase of a nearly $800 helmet? (Shoei X-14)

I’m a tall, skinny rider...6’3 and 165lbs.
Are my suit options limited to custom options for proper,safe fitment?

Gloves have been purchase and boots are on their way...

Tracks
I’m in KC, I’ve raced at Hallett before in a car and the drive is reasonable...
But it looks like we don’t go any further north towards tracks like HPT, RPM, MPH, GMP.
And with the risk of being laughed out of the forums...
With seat time and literal driving to the track seat time concerned. Are there any track day orgs that run at HPT? Or are those days done for?

I think that just about covers it...

Feel free to throw other tips my way!

-Andrew

Steve Haesemeyer
04-19-2019, 03:29 PM
I'm in Kansas City also
Heartland Park has track days once a month. I'm also a control rider come out and ride with us
Monday May 28
Sunday June 17
Sunday July 8
Sunday Aug 5
Monday Sept 3
Sunday Oct 14

Steven Smith
04-19-2019, 04:17 PM
You don't have to break the bank on a helmet. The more expensive ones give you things light weight reduction, better airflow, better aerodynamics and such. As long as the helmet is Snell or ECE certified, you should be good to go. In an independent test, there were several $99-150 helmets that matched the protection of the $500+ helmets. The one golden rule though is make sure you get one that fits your head shape and is the correct size. An ill fitting helmet can be just as dangerous as a cheaper helmet.

Andrew Forsythe
04-19-2019, 04:31 PM
Welcome Andrew!
Robert Lackey with Bison Track can give you a great deal on a set of leathers.
I use the Bell Race Star helmet. It fits and feels great. Cheaper than $800
Tires
I use Dunlop Slicks medium compound and they last forever! I’m pretty sure I still have the same front from Houston!
Steve or Sarah with Dunlop can help you further in that category.

Eric Falt
04-24-2019, 10:06 AM
If no one has updated you...you will need a front brake lever guard, and a rear light for rain racing, Go have some fun !!! :+1:

Carter Rossner
04-24-2019, 12:14 PM
It should be reasonably easy to find aftermarket case cover replacements. I recommend Woodcraft for that kind of thing - their products are just really well-designed and are easy to service. I checked their website, and they've got covers for a 2002 GSXR 750 (https://www.woodcraft-cfm.com/products?car=1-10020-2002-0&sFilter=Engine%20Covers). They're not cheap, but motorcycle racing isn't cheap either.

My two cents on tires: if you can easily run warmers (you have stands and a generator), run race tires. I say this because you're probably going to improve much more quickly than the lifespan of a street tire. Something like a Diablo Rosso III might last you for 10-15 track days at an intermediate pace, sure. But (hopefully) you're not going to be doing 10-15 track days at an intermediate pace. You'll do 2-3 intermediate, 1-2 advanced, and then you'll have "outgrown" the capability of the tire while it's still got 60% tread. Meanwhile, a race tire won't wear *that* much more if you're not pushing it. Back when I was a new novice, I'd get 4-5 track days out of other people's take-offs. You could go for a "hypersport" tire like a Q4 or a Supercorsa SP, but for that you'll be paying basically the same price as a race tire for a little bit more life and (in my mind) a larger bit less grip and stability.

Jonathan Childers
04-25-2019, 08:07 AM
As far as tracks go, those were all midwest tracks or worse, and for a club centered out of texas, no we don't go that far. I just moved down here from Omaha nebraska and have been to those tracks you mentioned. Hastings is Nebraska and would be like 13+ hour drive for close people, and worse for other people here if you DONT account for trailers and hauling. RPM, previously MAM....is underwater, so that one really isn't relevant. Having come from Omaha NE there aren't alot of great tracks close, nor racing. You have to do considerable travel.

But we are at Hallet in a couple weeks, and friday is the track experience "trackday" :)

Jordan Pence
04-25-2019, 04:22 PM
Tires all depend on pace. hard to give you a recommendation there. However if you want something that will last longer and is fine for "track day" pace. Look at the Q4.

Brad Boyle
04-28-2019, 10:05 AM
As far as leathers I think you can find something off the rack. I,m 6’5 2hundred something. The larger alpine stars I can fit into although tight and I have a set of off brand that I’ve been wearing since i started. They came right off the rack. Although for a few more dollars you could get a custom one. Helmet wise it has to be less than 5yrs old. Find the shape of your head, REVZILLA has videos on head shapes. They let you know what helmets are best for that shape. Make sure it fits. It,s not like car racing where a little loose is ok. Once your helmet hits the ground it’ll be inspected any sign of damage may cause it to fail. Think of that when buying. More expensive doesn’t really mean safer usually just more options and better graphics and a little less weight. Have fun!!

Darnell Dorsey
04-30-2019, 05:36 PM
I think I have a new set of engine covers. I bought these as a backup for my 01 1000 and never needed them. Let me know if you are interested.
Café racer Inc is in the KC area and Greg has a ton of knowledge about what you'll need and sells everything.

Christopher Simmons
04-30-2019, 11:13 PM
As far as leathers I think you can find something off the rack. I,m 6’5 2hundred something. The larger alpine stars I can fit into although tight and I have a set of off brand that I’ve been wearing since i started. They came right off the rack. Although for a few more dollars you could get a custom one. Helmet wise it has to be less than 5yrs old. Find the shape of your head, REVZILLA has videos on head shapes. They let you know what helmets are best for that shape. Make sure it fits. It,s not like car racing where a little loose is ok. Once your helmet hits the ground it’ll be inspected any sign of damage may cause it to fail. Think of that when buying. More expensive doesn’t really mean safer usually just more options and better graphics and a little less weight. Have fun!!

Helmet also has to be SNELL.

Steven Smith
05-01-2019, 01:51 PM
Helmet also has to be SNELL. or ECE, and must be the approved version of each.

From the rulebook:

All riders must wear helmets which have a Snell M2010 or M2015 approval sticker, or must be BSI (BS. 6658 TYPE A) or EC (ECE 22-04 & ECE 22-05 “P”)

Darryl Buswell
06-23-2019, 02:51 PM
Probably a dumb question, but does CMRA always run CW at MSRH?

If it varies, is the upcoming round at MSRH end of this month, CW or CCW?

And finally, if the upcoming round is CCW, has anyone had any experience rotating rear Pirelli SC slicks? They are marked one direction, unlike Dunlops. But wondering if people still rotate them?

Carter Rossner
06-23-2019, 03:06 PM
We always run CW at MSRH. I'll let someone who rides on Pirellis comment on flipping them, but my general rule of thinking has been to not flip tires that ain't meant to be flipped. A new rear is cheaper than the consequences.

Darryl Buswell
06-23-2019, 03:12 PM
We always run CW at MSRH. I'll let someone who rides on Pirellis comment on flipping them, but my general rule of thinking has been to not flip tires that ain't meant to be flipped. A new rear is cheaper than the consequences.

Great, thanks for that. Shouldn't need to worry then. Just need to sort out a day off work, and then I'll be there on Friday to get my licence.

Danny Dominguez
06-23-2019, 05:29 PM
Great, thanks for that. Shouldn't need to worry then. Just need to sort out a day off work, and then I'll be there on Friday to get my licence.

Kool! Look forward to seeing you at 8am Friday morning!
Danny

Danny Dominguez
06-23-2019, 06:52 PM
Great, thanks for that. Shouldn't need to worry then. Just need to sort out a day off work, and then I'll be there on Friday to get my licence.

FYI : There will be a Saturday license school at MSRH this time if you cant get time off from work on Friday. Same classroom stuff as a Friday school, just a bit shorter on track time.

Dex Lester
06-25-2019, 09:07 PM
Jumping on to the OP here with a follow up on tires. Track day guy taking license school at Cresson in July.

I don't have tire warmers so would it be better to stay with a hypersport style tire, say Q4 or Pirelli as mentioned above or would there be a benefit to using something like the Dunlop GP-A?

I have no allegiance to brand and not looking to buy more tire than needed but the prices are similar so I would like the biggest bang for the buck.

Thanks for all the info through this post.

Jordan Pence
06-25-2019, 09:21 PM
Jumping on to the OP here with a follow up on tires. Track day guy taking license school at Cresson in July.

I don't have tire warmers so would it be better to stay with a hypersport style tire, say Q4 or Pirelli as mentioned above or would there be a benefit to using something like the Dunlop GP-A?

I have no allegiance to brand and not looking to buy more tire than needed but the prices are similar so I would like the biggest bang for the buck.

Thanks for all the info through this post.You'll be ok on any tire just make sure to take it easy on the first lap or two. Straight up and down acceleration and breaking will get it hot enough.

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Steve Wilson
06-25-2019, 09:28 PM
Invest in warmers.

Danny Dominguez
06-25-2019, 10:12 PM
Jumping on to the OP here with a follow up on tires. Track day guy taking license school at Cresson in July.

I don't have tire warmers so would it be better to stay with a hypersport style tire, say Q4 or Pirelli as mentioned above or would there be a benefit to using something like the Dunlop GP-A?

I have no allegiance to brand and not looking to buy more tire than needed but the prices are similar so I would like the biggest bang for the buck.

Thanks for all the info through this post.
I have put numerous guys thru my school without the use of tire warmers, but if its a deal breaker for you I have extra set or 3 for you to use....
one of my classroom portions is actually history of how we actually was able to race once upon a time long ago and how you still can without tire warmers.

Brian Rinner
08-19-2019, 06:19 PM
I have and am currently using both the Q4 and the GP-A (two bikes) and as long as you take lap 1 easy-ish, GP-A's will be fine. Also....trust what Danny said.