Lap time minimums?

[Mitchell Klein]

Hey Mitchell,
I'm in Dallas, if ya need a hand getting your bike fixed shoot me a pm.
brad

May take you up on this

[John Redford]

Hey Mitchell,
I'm in Dallas, if ya need a hand getting your bike fixed shoot me a pm.
brad

Mitchell I am happy to help you with any spare parts you may need if they are in my box. I have lots of extras!

[Chris Woolsey]

I live down the street, so if ya need something, holler, I might have some extras as well. Also, I do ok fiberglass work, in my opinion. Basically, it will be hideous but functional. Hell, shoot me a PM and I'll bring some beer and we'll shoot the ****.

[Michael McGehee]

I live down the street, so if ya need something, holler, I might have some extras as well. Also, I do ok fiberglass work, in my opinion. Basically, it will be hideous but functional. Hell, shoot me a PM and I'll bring some beer and we'll shoot the ****.

i would say that my fiberglass work is AVERAGE. it will also look hideous but maybe in a different way. so now you have two options if you want help with fiberglass repair! Shoot me a PM if you want some help Mitch, i'm sorry to hear about your off. We've always had fun together at the track.

[Robert Bremer]

Related to the OP there is some verbiage in the CMRA rule book section 3.10 about significantly slower riders. There is no mention of lap times but it does state that being lapped within four laps is considered dangerously slower and at the discretion of CMRA officials that rider can be removed from racing for the weekend.

[Dean Darnell]

Related to the OP there is some verbiage in the CMRA rule book section 3.10 about significantly slower riders. There is no mention of lap times but it does state that being lapped within four laps is considered dangerously slower and at the discretion of CMRA officials that rider can be removed from racing for the weekend.

Significantly slower defined as being lapped in less than four laps by the leader of the same class the rider is participating in.

[Tom Anderson]

At our track days, it's easy for us to control situations where a rider is too slow (or fast) for a given group. At a race, not so much. Not to mention, if you try to place lap time controls upon a racer the problem of monitoring, policing, and then rectifying that issue comes to play. Who is able to monitor and oversee that responsibility?

Reason dictates that if you're racing and a rider is a danger to himself and others on the track, you should report it. Not all of these riders are going to be caught during licensing school, especially if it's a situation where the rider is at a track new to them.

My hope would be that a rider in the above situation would ask for help on the Friday practice or on Saturday's practice from a BOD member or rider rep. I doubt that ever happens.

I also disagree with some points Mr Dugger is aluding to. There are some situations where people simply don't need to be racing (yet) and should not take the grid. I agree with the aspect of mentoring and retaining the membership, and as a partner to the CMRA I would say that LSTD would be willing to play a big role in that development and mentorship. But after they're identified, I don't think that they should be retained simply to keep the membership in the club.

While conducting the mock races, I have personally directed some candidates to avoid getting their license simply because they're just too slow and potentially dangerous. There have also been times when we have not given that pink sheet to them for these reasons. I'm going to guess that the other track day partners do the same. Regardless, it's not a perfect solution and riders do fall through the cracks. Not saying that is the case here, but it does happen.

Would love to hear other (viable) solutions presented.

[Josh Henke]

Don't mean to fork the thread, but the topic does make me wonder about the view of riders who enter a race following a crash in a previous race and they're injured or the bike passes inspection but really isn't race-worthy. They go out and turn a lap or two for the points, but extremely slow. I've seen it many times.

[Jim Dugger]

There are some situations where people simply don't need to be racing (yet) and should not take the grid. I agree with the aspect of mentoring and retaining the membership, and as a partner to the CMRA I would say that LSTD would be willing to play a big role in that development and mentorship. But after they're identified, I don't think that they should be retained simply to keep the membership in the club.

Not sure if I quite came across correctly if that's what you took away.

I really appreciate the LSTD partnership, and know of at least one other track day school's license class that will direct new racers not quite on the pace to lightweight racing first. I agree, this and LSTD's approach is a good practice. And, as far as I'm concerned you guys already DO play a role in development and mentorship and it's not a big secret I came to racing significantly through your coaching.

My original comment was more along the lines of us as a community of participants in the sport should mentor and develop this new racer. It's not about maintaining membership without reasonable considerations, but it is acknowledging we have a responsibility to approach membership with an inclusive attitude, not an exclusive one.

I actually think we share the same mindset, just get to the conclusion a bit differently.

Would love to hear other (viable) solutions presented.

The best thing for our sport and our club is to develop new passions for it.

[Chris Pearson]

One of the reasons I didn't race at TWS this round was because I'm just too slow on the track to compete. I took the numbers off my bike and rode the track day. I'm trying to decide if I'm done.