F3? We have 1,2,4-7. Oh and E1/2 SS
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F3? We have 1,2,4-7. Oh and E1/2 SS
Ninja 250: 375lbs
One of the big boys: 225lbs
All up weight: 600lbs
Honda RS85: 160lbs
One of the young fast ones: 115lbs
All up weight: 275 lbs
The Ninja remains a paradox for me. I have always hated them because of the disparity in weight (the speed differential does not bother me) but the questions has always plagued me....did the new Ninjette save the mini program or kill it? We were smothered in tiny bikes and homebuilts and now we are smothered in those horrible cockroaches.
Honestly, the loss of OHR was the worst blow to our tiny bike grids. It ran off the large contingent of F5, 6, and 7 bikes.
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Not to mention the economy Chris. Face it true mini bikes take time and money. A 250 is a Turn key 4stroke that makes it cheap and easy.
I dont disagree but, like the demise of the two stroke, I dont have to like it. :-)
Originally Posted By: Dennis KingNot to mention the economy Chris. Face it true mini bikes take time and money. A 250 is a Turn key 4stroke that makes it cheap and easy.
No doubt, but I think there are several families that would invest time and money in the smaller sprint and endurance bikes IF they didn't have concerns of their kids running with the much larger, heavier 250's. I mentioned this in a thread and was criticised as some thought I wanted to be gifted a trophy or championship. The point was, I am of the opinion that we have all but effectively ran the youngest racers out of the club along with their parents and their money with these 250's. People like to see some form of succes for their investment...success can be measured many ways, but taking even a good rider young(however young the rules state)on a 125framed/80 against our current good riders 0n the 250, you can predict the outcomes....look at the endurance series(or should I say the 250 series). You could argue that IF we have the same number of entires made up by the 250's then we are even, but I beg to differ. I get the biggest kick out of watching the youngest kids ride whatever bike it is their parents preparred for them, and so do other paying customers...like cousins, grandparents, friends and the like....and that means front gate sales. I don't dislike the 250's but why can't we have a club successful and proactive with both?
Oh, and BTW...this bike looks awesome, I'd love to ride one when you get it!
Derek
any of those kids/families could just as easily build an RS framed 65 and compete in the F5 if a trophy is their biggest concern...
with that being said, i think the 300 should not be allowed in F4...
Originally Posted By: John Blackany of those kids/families could just as easily build an RS framed 65 and compete in the F5 if a trophy is their biggest concern...
with that being said, i think the 300 should not be allowed in F4...
Why not allow them, think they'll push 250's out....that's never been done to any other class with a similar output. BTW, how are those 80's doing in mini endurance?
Derek
i would not allow them simply because they exceed the class CC limits...
BTW, our 2-stroke was on the box the first 2 rounds... had a podium by a country mile in the next one before the motor let go... then crashed out of the lead next race... after that, the motor got put in a sprint bike that still has the opportunity for a good class finish...
the other 2-Stroke has been on the box several times... been in contention at every other race until mechanicals and/or crashes have taken them out...
the class of the field is who is going to win the races no matter what bike they are on... those 250s are just much easier to race week in and week out, so, the majority of the field chooses to race them...
i guess i do not understand the question...
Derek, we do allright.