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Originally Posted By: Walter WalkerWe'll see.....
I hear you and I really hope you dont take me as disrespecting you here. You know that is not the case. I just dont agree. We have disagreed before. [img]<>/grin.gif[/img]
You know I love you big old Teddy Bear.
No not at all Chris. We share the same feelings on this one. I don't want to introduce an even faster large chassis bike into the Mini groups either. That's why I was thinking of not allowing any mods for the 300. Honestly it may be a moot point though with the steady decline of the F5-7 machines.
We agree it's not a mini. That being said, I will race anyone on any bike. Just give us two stroke guys a fighting chance.
i think if we are going to allow a 300 diesel, perhaps we should allow 125cc based 2-S MX motors...
*goes back out to the garage and stares at the empty Ape RS125 chassis* Hmm, what to do, what to do......
hey, i had planned on building a monster XR100 based F5 bike for next year, but, if we can get some real parity for the 2-S, i would much rather do that...
I would be opposed to the New 300 in the F4 or ESS simply because of the same reasons I was opposed to the RS chassis bikes being allowed into the ESS class. As Eric mentioned, horsepower claims from Kawasaki are 39. In stock form, that beats the modified horsepower claims of some of the 250's being at 32-35. Taking into consideration that the 300 will shed some pounds with race trim only(lights, brackets, pegs, stock skins, etc.), does the power to weight ratio thereafter concern anyone for the equality idea in the ESS class? In F4, it is simply outside of the rules. A restructuring of the class rules would need to be in order to allow the bike, and I really don't think the idea of that would be advantageous to anyone from a cost standpoint.
As far as the classes being a Novice/Expert split, I am not sure that would increase entries, but it would be interesting to test it in a trial race. Maybe at round one next season, run the schedule as it was this year, but add in one race that would have no adverse effect on the season points, run the classes at the same time but score them seperately.
Just an idea, from a guy with no real information to base this idea on:
Since the Ninja 250, EX250, VTR250, and Blast already aren't really Formula 4 bikes (they're larger than class-legal bikes that get an exception and must follow SuperStock rules)......couldn't all these bikes be moved into a new F3 class? F3 class would be made up of all the above-mentioned bikes running Formula rules, and the 300cc Ninja running SuperStock rules, or completely stock exhaust and engine management per Walter's idea.
Would give the F4 guys their class back, Ninja-free. The only big worry would be F4 falling in entries like F5-F7 have, but hopefully it would revive some of these guys who seem to complain that they have bikes they could be building for F4, but they don't because the Ninjas have taken over.
But, I guess that F3 class would then be even faster, and may be too quick for the mini endurance. So maybe just keep the new bikes in clubman. Hell, I don't know.
I'm very interested in the new ninja. Personally I have no opinion on its mini class legality. I'd like to see it allowed in clubman with formula rules. It could be a great platform for a builders bike.
But we will have to wait and see it on track and in person, to really know what the possibilities are. It's all Internet hype right now.
If the out of the crate numbers are true the 300 will not be allowed in F4 or Mini Endurance.