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My bad.Quote:Originally posted by nicktulloh:
My point was that the CCS podium read like an AMA podium.
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Your post seemed to imply that it was no big deal and Renate was praising a feat that did not deserve any credit due to the fact that it was only a club level race.
Beer on me at TWS.
ty
Well, if the bikes are close, you're right. But, when I was out there with a decrepid 250 I built out of scrap... :rolleyes: ...the top 250 was running 158 to my 138... [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] You can't hope to draft like that, LOL! Maybe a rope and grapling hook woulda worked?Quote:Originally posted by Scott Levine:
I agree with Ty, I always feel pretty good
after a win or doing well in our club And I will promise you anybody that says Daytona is all about Hp is wrong. Learning where and how to draft on the high bank is a skill and turn one is not for the meek!Not to mention jumping the
Imsa curbing in the chicane entrance. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
You're right about T1. I never did feel real comfortable coming in there WFO and trying to brake past the 1 marker when I couldn't see around the bend. Blind apexs are bad enough, never mind braking that hard. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
To be fair to my broke butt, back then, 80, 81, 250s were advancing very rapidly. I put together what I could afford to go out there and just do it. I knew I'd struggle to do anything on what I built, a C ('77) monoshock TZ chassis, B model cases, Kanemoto ported F top end, 38 Lectron's, and cut B pipes (attrocious pipes, I might add). If you went to the track with less than the very latest of TZs back then, you were an also ran from the start. My old F (79) was hot for exactly 1 season. The Gs got separate cylinders still parallel, but with base bolts The F had head bolts running through the cylinder on the RD pattern which greatly restricted transfer port area. The Gs also had the first power valves. The G was a great advance, then the cylinders got Veed and the G was history, LOL!
All that's not the case anymore, but 250, sadly, is quite dead now. It's not quite the difference going to the track with a year old 600 or liter bike now than back then on the 250s, but still, you'd be lucky to keep the draft on a well prepped ZX10R with a two year old Jixxer. But, if the rider is VERY good, just look at what E Boz did last year on the 636 in superstock! [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] Whatta last lap THAT was, eh? [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] Even at Daytona, a rider talent and skill is important.
OK kids, that concludes today's lesson on the history of an extinct form of roadracing. Tomorrow we will cover record players, the predecessor to the CD.Quote:Originally posted by Jack Giesecke:
back then, 80, 81, 250s were advancing very rapidly....C ('77) monoshock TZ chassis, B model cases, Kanemoto ported F top end, 38 Lectron's, and cut B pipes (attrocious pipes, I might add). My old F (79) was hot for exactly 1 season. The Gs got separate cylinders still parallel, but with base bolts The F had head bolts running through the cylinder on the RD pattern which greatly restricted transfer port area. The Gs also had the first power valves. The G was a great advance, then the cylinders got Veed and the G was history, LOL!
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Jack, I think it's cool how long you've been doing this. I just had to comment...
Sorry for the threadjack. Go Haner!
ty
Well, see, I was thinking of all that in context to the "not a horsepower track" thought... [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] All I can remember is being on the banking half way between T1 and the chicane and having my painted on numbers sucked off by a new TZ flying by at superbike speeds. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] I was only there twice before I said, "Okay, been there, done that, can't afford it." LOL
Yeah, you gotta be on a bike with a motor and the money to do it right at Daytona to have a chance. John's got a good ride this season. He's runnin' with the big boys now! Woohoo! I'll submit to everyone here, John's never lacked the talent and ability, just the ride. Makes all the difference, especially at Daytona. Wish I could watch some this weekend on speedTV, but I'll be in Katy playing.
Oh, thanks, and BTW, I still have a turn table. In fact, there's an old 8 track recorder on the back porch that still works!... [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]