Please Read - Additional Rookie Experts for 2007!

The BOD made it rulling on 10/23 or thats when the new experts where posted. I can not find anywhere that says more will be added. The classes I would have raced as a novice is not the same if I would have been expert. I put everything on hold untill the list came out! I made my decisitions on the BOD posted list. If I would have been expert from the start I would have made different choices on bikes and classes. It is well know I was waiting on the list to come out. I have spent over 25,000.00 dollars on bikes that I wont race in expert. This money was spent on the BOD rulling. Chris call it what you want its still B.S. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] After many post asking Questions to the BOD on next years classes and rules. It was allways Tim read the rule book its not going to change [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Then allmost a month later on 11/16 the BOD says OPPS. How many times was I called stupid and dumb rookie for asking what some considered to be stupid Questions. If the BOD CANT SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET with this maybe I need to rethink things. Im not upset to be expert.Im upset because I was told one thing then we did the total opposite [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] If you paid to get your car painted red. Then you pick it up and its blue. Would you be upset? I sent request to the BOD. I will sit out the first two races. Please let me know on the rulling. Thanks Tim Chason [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img]

The BOD made it rulling on 10/23 or thats when the new experts where posted. I can not find anywhere that says more will be added. The classes I would have raced as a novice is not the same if I would have been expert. I put everything on hold untill the list came out! I made my decisitions on the BOD posted list. If I would have been expert from the start I would have made different choices on bikes and classes. It is well know I was waiting on the list to come out. I have spent over 25,000.00 dollars on bikes that I wont race in expert. This money was spent on the BOD rulling. Chris call it what you want its still B.S. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] After many post asking Questions to the BOD on next years classes and rules. It was allways Tim read the rule book its not going to change [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Then allmost a month later on 11/16 the BOD says OPPS. How many times was I called stupid and dumb rookie for asking what some considered to be stupid Questions. If the BOD CANT SEE WHY PEOPLE ARE UPSET with this maybe I need to rethink things. Im not upset to be expert.Im upset because I was told one thing then we did the total opposite [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] If you paid to get your car painted red. Then you pick it up and its blue. Would you be upset? I sent request to the BOD. I will sit out the first two races. Please let me know on the rulling. Thanks Tim Chason [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img]

Wow - just got the letter in the mail today. Too busy packing to be on the board much...

Kotowski - you're a funny man! I'm at stage 4 right now - depression, but more due to the fact that I can't race you next year than the fact of being promoted to expert.

I believe the decision is correct, I would love to race (and most of all -beat) Sonny next year and watch Nathan take off in the distance, unfortunately I'll be sittin' on my *** freezing in Norway.

Perhaps upon my return I will take the leathers out of storage and start dukin' it out with y'all. But as a novice I hope, justification being the lack of practice for 1 year. Sound reasonable...?

Perhaps there should also be a difference between mini ex/nov and big bike ex/nov. No offense but there is a difference between an XR100 and a GSXR1000, and I'm not talking the extra "GS" an "0"...!

Wow - just got the letter in the mail today. Too busy packing to be on the board much...

Kotowski - you're a funny man! I'm at stage 4 right now - depression, but more due to the fact that I can't race you next year than the fact of being promoted to expert.

I believe the decision is correct, I would love to race (and most of all -beat) Sonny next year and watch Nathan take off in the distance, unfortunately I'll be sittin' on my *** freezing in Norway.

Perhaps upon my return I will take the leathers out of storage and start dukin' it out with y'all. But as a novice I hope, justification being the lack of practice for 1 year. Sound reasonable...?

Perhaps there should also be a difference between mini ex/nov and big bike ex/nov. No offense but there is a difference between an XR100 and a GSXR1000, and I'm not talking the extra "GS" an "0"...!

TIMMMUH, how've you been? C'mon, last I saw you were dukin' it out with Chase Vivion, not exactly a novice.

The issue I see here again as with all decisions is that you just can't make everybody happy, no matter what you do! Go BOD and go CMRA!

TIMMMUH, how've you been? C'mon, last I saw you were dukin' it out with Chase Vivion, not exactly a novice.

The issue I see here again as with all decisions is that you just can't make everybody happy, no matter what you do! Go BOD and go CMRA!

BOD Meeting Minutes:

7. Novice to Expert for 2007. Agreed to not make any changes to the number of Novices moved up for 2007 but to review the process for 2008 to move up a larger group. (Note: After a discussion with the general membership at the Open Membership meeting immediately following this Board Meeting, the Board decided to move up another group of Novices for 2007. The exact number and names of the riders to be agreed upon after review. An announcement to be made on the CMRA website and each rider contacted directly by Nancy).

BOD Meeting Minutes:

7. Novice to Expert for 2007. Agreed to not make any changes to the number of Novices moved up for 2007 but to review the process for 2008 to move up a larger group. (Note: After a discussion with the general membership at the Open Membership meeting immediately following this Board Meeting, the Board decided to move up another group of Novices for 2007. The exact number and names of the riders to be agreed upon after review. An announcement to be made on the CMRA website and each rider contacted directly by Nancy).

Patrick Tim e cannot 'duke it out' with Chase Vivion. Not even in the same country speed wise. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] If you are talking about the Motard, Chase has been putt'n around on burned up tires for the last several race weekends of '06 getting enough points to win the championship, and not crash.

I too have been told by the BOD that rules are rules, and are followed to the T. Now we see that is not true. Tim e has a legit beef, what a waste of money on the bikes for a '07 race plan based on rules that mean nothing.

Patrick Tim e cannot 'duke it out' with Chase Vivion. Not even in the same country speed wise. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] If you are talking about the Motard, Chase has been putt'n around on burned up tires for the last several race weekends of '06 getting enough points to win the championship, and not crash.

I too have been told by the BOD that rules are rules, and are followed to the T. Now we see that is not true. Tim e has a legit beef, what a waste of money on the bikes for a '07 race plan based on rules that mean nothing.

Again, I hate to admit it but Timmuah has a legit beef here... I watched fur fly over Kienasty's little problem over novice/expert ranking and the BOD's stance was "Rules Are RULES, if ya don't like'em.. try and get it changed for NEXT year..." If your worried about splitting up running buddies to keep the competition close then remind everyone you can jump up whenever you want too... simply request your white plate and hang on!!! So for those who are losing thier competition... move on UP!!!

I must laugh at one more post...

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Of course, your ability to get around the track safely at speed weighed in all of our recommendations. ...Kotowski...

there is a reason my family calls me "Crash"... in all honesty, i have made it to ONE race weekend that I did not crash at... JUST 1!! and I still had an off-road excursion there.. I just have learned how to race on the GRASS!!! Some weekends I went asphault surfing 2 or 3 times!!! I have 1 track I am legitamately fast at (Cresson, CCW), 1 I came in DEAD Freakin' LAST at (Cresson, CW)... and 1 I have NEVER RACED ON BEFORE... (Hallet, CCW) So lets reevaluate Safety and finishes... really... lol. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Again, I hate to admit it but Timmuah has a legit beef here... I watched fur fly over Kienasty's little problem over novice/expert ranking and the BOD's stance was "Rules Are RULES, if ya don't like'em.. try and get it changed for NEXT year..." If your worried about splitting up running buddies to keep the competition close then remind everyone you can jump up whenever you want too... simply request your white plate and hang on!!! So for those who are losing thier competition... move on UP!!!

I must laugh at one more post...

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Of course, your ability to get around the track safely at speed weighed in all of our recommendations. ...Kotowski...

there is a reason my family calls me "Crash"... in all honesty, i have made it to ONE race weekend that I did not crash at... JUST 1!! and I still had an off-road excursion there.. I just have learned how to race on the GRASS!!! Some weekends I went asphault surfing 2 or 3 times!!! I have 1 track I am legitamately fast at (Cresson, CCW), 1 I came in DEAD Freakin' LAST at (Cresson, CW)... and 1 I have NEVER RACED ON BEFORE... (Hallet, CCW) So lets reevaluate Safety and finishes... really... lol. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Originally Posted by Nancy Selleck

Administrator
Member # 331

Member Rated:
posted October 25, 2006 02:57 PM
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Please folks, read the first post of this thread!!

Riders with 0.6 and above (in bold below) are moved to Expert...not EVERYONE on this list.

0.9459214 - Kelsey, Danny
0.8725164 - Moore, Tony
0.8581070 - Schutz, Clayton
0.8332829 - Hunt, Jeremy
0.8184614 - Gardner, Nathan
0.7767263 - Harrell, Michael
0.7532375 - Kitchen, Cody
0.7427085 - LeMaire, Bryan
0.7359325 - Magnus, Thomas
0.7273817 - Lang, David
0.7190970 - Beasley, Buck
0.7134748 - Newman, Frank
0.7099749 - Klepper, Mark
0.7057796 - Taylor, David
0.7031308 - Eder, Roy
0.6849124 - Asbury, Heather
0.6752793 - Dupuis, Susette
0.6447273 - Fleeman, Todd
0.6440446 - Wilkinson, Paul
0.6371812 - Giarratano, Gary
0.6353183 - Corder, Christopher
0.6325620 - Kline, Mark
0.6222422 - McKeown, Leo
0.6139856 - Rodriguez, Mauricio
0.6021919 - Edmonson, Bryan
0.6014587 - Zelm, Shane
0.5975286 - Accardo, Chris
0.5930333 - Fox, Brian
0.5897549 - Thandassery, Sunil
0.5878946 - Stohrer, Patrick
0.5846645 - Raley, Joe
0.5774660 - Nolden, David
0.5505425 - Lohr, Buddy
0.5478883 - Holderness, Chris
0.5412934 - Kutalek, Chris
0.5346071 - Corley, Freddie
0.5333327 - Green, Russel
0.5319464 - Johnson, Blaine
0.4894246 - Kumper, Jeromy
0.4787603 - Christine, Charles
0.4787291 - Jordan, Jeff
0.4658572 - Wilson, David W.
0.4656043 - Chason, Tim
0.4383697 - Lee, Billy
0.4308484 - Albert, Roger
0.4135859 - Carter, Willie
0.4049420 - Chapman, Jake
0.4033756 - Wang, Tony
0.3877383 - Marshall, Travis
0.3676296 - Callahan, Pierson
0.3601258 - West, A.J.
0.3387927 - Honzell, Torrey
0.3005859 - Falconi, Jim
0.2995798 - Gardner, Slade
0.2906253 - Johanson, Ashley
0.2895539 - Magnus, Larry
0.2708381 - Johnson, Harold
0.2298258 - Epperson, Gilbert
0.2032385 - Beedle, Marcus
0.1967849 - Coker, Lenny
0.1758278 - Henry, Lee
0.1594686 - Smith, Stephen W.

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Nancy Selleck
CMRA Daycare Administrator
Ph: 817-377-1599
Fax: 817-377-1655
nancy@cmraracing.com

Remember the Danny Kelsey thing at the end of the year [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Our rule book is here for a reason! we cant just change the rules because we dont like something. :rolleyes: I think this is a good idea.However I dont feel there was enough thought put into it. How come Pierson or Tony didnt get moved up . Both of them spank my *** on a 125 and F4 [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Once again this was not thought threw.This sounds more like somthing that should have been put in place in 2008. After the BOD had time to think it threw. TIIIMMMMY

Originally Posted by Nancy Selleck

Administrator
Member # 331

Member Rated:
posted October 25, 2006 02:57 PM
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Please folks, read the first post of this thread!!

Riders with 0.6 and above (in bold below) are moved to Expert...not EVERYONE on this list.

0.9459214 - Kelsey, Danny
0.8725164 - Moore, Tony
0.8581070 - Schutz, Clayton
0.8332829 - Hunt, Jeremy
0.8184614 - Gardner, Nathan
0.7767263 - Harrell, Michael
0.7532375 - Kitchen, Cody
0.7427085 - LeMaire, Bryan
0.7359325 - Magnus, Thomas
0.7273817 - Lang, David
0.7190970 - Beasley, Buck
0.7134748 - Newman, Frank
0.7099749 - Klepper, Mark
0.7057796 - Taylor, David
0.7031308 - Eder, Roy
0.6849124 - Asbury, Heather
0.6752793 - Dupuis, Susette
0.6447273 - Fleeman, Todd
0.6440446 - Wilkinson, Paul
0.6371812 - Giarratano, Gary
0.6353183 - Corder, Christopher
0.6325620 - Kline, Mark
0.6222422 - McKeown, Leo
0.6139856 - Rodriguez, Mauricio
0.6021919 - Edmonson, Bryan
0.6014587 - Zelm, Shane
0.5975286 - Accardo, Chris
0.5930333 - Fox, Brian
0.5897549 - Thandassery, Sunil
0.5878946 - Stohrer, Patrick
0.5846645 - Raley, Joe
0.5774660 - Nolden, David
0.5505425 - Lohr, Buddy
0.5478883 - Holderness, Chris
0.5412934 - Kutalek, Chris
0.5346071 - Corley, Freddie
0.5333327 - Green, Russel
0.5319464 - Johnson, Blaine
0.4894246 - Kumper, Jeromy
0.4787603 - Christine, Charles
0.4787291 - Jordan, Jeff
0.4658572 - Wilson, David W.
0.4656043 - Chason, Tim
0.4383697 - Lee, Billy
0.4308484 - Albert, Roger
0.4135859 - Carter, Willie
0.4049420 - Chapman, Jake
0.4033756 - Wang, Tony
0.3877383 - Marshall, Travis
0.3676296 - Callahan, Pierson
0.3601258 - West, A.J.
0.3387927 - Honzell, Torrey
0.3005859 - Falconi, Jim
0.2995798 - Gardner, Slade
0.2906253 - Johanson, Ashley
0.2895539 - Magnus, Larry
0.2708381 - Johnson, Harold
0.2298258 - Epperson, Gilbert
0.2032385 - Beedle, Marcus
0.1967849 - Coker, Lenny
0.1758278 - Henry, Lee
0.1594686 - Smith, Stephen W.

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Nancy Selleck
CMRA Daycare Administrator
Ph: 817-377-1599
Fax: 817-377-1655
nancy@cmraracing.com

Remember the Danny Kelsey thing at the end of the year [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Our rule book is here for a reason! we cant just change the rules because we dont like something. :rolleyes: I think this is a good idea.However I dont feel there was enough thought put into it. How come Pierson or Tony didnt get moved up . Both of them spank my *** on a 125 and F4 [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] Once again this was not thought threw.This sounds more like somthing that should have been put in place in 2008. After the BOD had time to think it threw. TIIIMMMMY

Hmmm, having lined up the overall rankings on a spreadsheet, I see I'm the 3rd lowest ranked of the new bumps. A lowly place indeed. I also see a fair number of people not bumped that are _way_ faster than me. So I'm pretty much lowest ranked new expert, and only "earned" that by showing up to a lot of F7 races. Man, if the new experts felt lonely last year, wait til they see me next year.
Assuming I don't take a year off and go practice at trackdays. I already only get to run 6 or 7 laps in a novice sprint before the winner laps me and finishes it. Now I'll get to run only 5 or 6 laps. Makes it _awfully_ expensive per lap. Fun can still be had, I'm sure, but 35-75 bucks for 5 laps? I'm not so sure. Someone needs to seriously compare the laptimes and actual big bike performance of some of the people they're promoting. Really _look_ at it.

Since I lined up all the new bumps on a spreadsheet with the overall novice list and index, I can see that, with very few exceptions, they just moved the index down to about .41, from the original .60. i.e. it may have been done with _some_ thought, but since all but 4 of the 20 new bumps were right in a rpw, just above the new index, it's appears there was not a lot of individual evaluation and consideration to actual skills, save maybe 3 or 4 of the cases. The line was simply drawn a lot lower than previously. 0.4 instead of 0.6, in round numbers. That is an enormous percentage difference in speed, performance, and index. I personally was lowest of the non exceptions.
I sign off in shame and bewilderment.

Hmmm, having lined up the overall rankings on a spreadsheet, I see I'm the 3rd lowest ranked of the new bumps. A lowly place indeed. I also see a fair number of people not bumped that are _way_ faster than me. So I'm pretty much lowest ranked new expert, and only "earned" that by showing up to a lot of F7 races. Man, if the new experts felt lonely last year, wait til they see me next year.
Assuming I don't take a year off and go practice at trackdays. I already only get to run 6 or 7 laps in a novice sprint before the winner laps me and finishes it. Now I'll get to run only 5 or 6 laps. Makes it _awfully_ expensive per lap. Fun can still be had, I'm sure, but 35-75 bucks for 5 laps? I'm not so sure. Someone needs to seriously compare the laptimes and actual big bike performance of some of the people they're promoting. Really _look_ at it.

Since I lined up all the new bumps on a spreadsheet with the overall novice list and index, I can see that, with very few exceptions, they just moved the index down to about .41, from the original .60. i.e. it may have been done with _some_ thought, but since all but 4 of the 20 new bumps were right in a rpw, just above the new index, it's appears there was not a lot of individual evaluation and consideration to actual skills, save maybe 3 or 4 of the cases. The line was simply drawn a lot lower than previously. 0.4 instead of 0.6, in round numbers. That is an enormous percentage difference in speed, performance, and index. I personally was lowest of the non exceptions.
I sign off in shame and bewilderment.

Absolutely nothing will be gained by griping on the message board. Nothing.

File an appeal.

Send me an email to present to the Board...plead your case on a personal level...let the Board members respond to you personally about why you got bumped. They can't respond to each of you individually on the message board.

Absolutely nothing will be gained by griping on the message board. Nothing.

File an appeal.

Send me an email to present to the Board...plead your case on a personal level...let the Board members respond to you personally about why you got bumped. They can't respond to each of you individually on the message board.

I broke the beaverton damn!!!!

I broke the beaverton damn!!!!

As I said - you can't make everyone happy. I guess I would worry more about it if I were racing next year. The plan originally was to go out and get some wood next season now that all the fast guys ahead of me got bumped. Well, it didn't work out.

Timmuh does have a point - rules are rules and should be enforced until changed. Again, I'd personally worry more about it if I were racing next year. And believe me I'd rather be racing - expert or novice, doesn't matter - than not racing! I'll miss oyu guys 'till 2008!

As I said - you can't make everyone happy. I guess I would worry more about it if I were racing next year. The plan originally was to go out and get some wood next season now that all the fast guys ahead of me got bumped. Well, it didn't work out.

Timmuh does have a point - rules are rules and should be enforced until changed. Again, I'd personally worry more about it if I were racing next year. And believe me I'd rather be racing - expert or novice, doesn't matter - than not racing! I'll miss oyu guys 'till 2008!

Quit complaining it won't change things? Wow, I thought this is was great venue to air our opinions so ALL can understand the issue and make their own judgment on this ruling. I for one, was added to this new Expert list. I feel their was a good chance I may have made the index if I had raced all 10 races. I raced 5 & podiumed 3. Again the superfluous problems are: some people on the list have no business moving to expert at this time and rules are rules(I was advised this year by CMRA on an infraction, to refer to rulebook & their would be no deviation, even though CMRA was also 50% at fault). If there is going to be a BOLD proposed change, then lets present it to all the members & get feeback & implement the change the next season. This way we can all understand what lies ahead so we can prepare for it in a timely fashion. Lastly getting bumped to Expert is quite an accomplishment to me, but under these circumstances it seems it has reduced the status of the Expert class. Especially with the definition that this change was made to promote HAPPY racers and keep Novice groups together. Discontent is the necessity of progress.

Quit complaining it won't change things? Wow, I thought this is was great venue to air our opinions so ALL can understand the issue and make their own judgment on this ruling. I for one, was added to this new Expert list. I feel their was a good chance I may have made the index if I had raced all 10 races. I raced 5 & podiumed 3. Again the superfluous problems are: some people on the list have no business moving to expert at this time and rules are rules(I was advised this year by CMRA on an infraction, to refer to rulebook & their would be no deviation, even though CMRA was also 50% at fault). If there is going to be a BOLD proposed change, then lets present it to all the members & get feeback & implement the change the next season. This way we can all understand what lies ahead so we can prepare for it in a timely fashion. Lastly getting bumped to Expert is quite an accomplishment to me, but under these circumstances it seems it has reduced the status of the Expert class. Especially with the definition that this change was made to promote HAPPY racers and keep Novice groups together. Discontent is the necessity of progress.

Quote:

Originally posted by David W Wilson:
If there is going to be a BOLD proposed change, then lets present it to all the members & get feeback & implement the change the next season. This way we can all understand what lies ahead so we can prepare for it in a timely fashion.

BoD elections just held....150 votes out of some 600+ members...postage provided [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Open members meeting at banquet.....20-30 members in attendance [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Expecting to get feedback from all the members...........Priceless [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Quote:

Originally posted by David W Wilson:
If there is going to be a BOLD proposed change, then lets present it to all the members & get feeback & implement the change the next season. This way we can all understand what lies ahead so we can prepare for it in a timely fashion.

BoD elections just held....150 votes out of some 600+ members...postage provided [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Open members meeting at banquet.....20-30 members in attendance [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Expecting to get feedback from all the members...........Priceless [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]

Appears to be feedback streaming in now.

Appears to be feedback streaming in now.

Nancey I have allready sent a PM to Bill, Walter Chris. If you where an expert that use to mean something [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] Im with Roger sounds like a good time to hit some track days and get up to speed for 2008. Everybody knows how I feel on this subject [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] Hopefully I will see you guys at the third race [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] That really dosent matter eighter because by then I wouldnt have a chance to win a novice championship and become a legitament expert [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] A very unhappy member [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY

Nancey I have allready sent a PM to Bill, Walter Chris. If you where an expert that use to mean something [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] Im with Roger sounds like a good time to hit some track days and get up to speed for 2008. Everybody knows how I feel on this subject [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] Hopefully I will see you guys at the third race [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] That really dosent matter eighter because by then I wouldnt have a chance to win a novice championship and become a legitament expert [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] A very unhappy member [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY

I've petitioned the complete BOD....and await my individual correspondence that was supposed to happen based on the minutes of the recent BOD meeting.

I've petitioned the complete BOD....and await my individual correspondence that was supposed to happen based on the minutes of the recent BOD meeting.

Let me be clear. I dont' want to sound like a "take my marbles and run home: kind of kind of kid. I really like the CMRA and will likely be back regardless of the disposition of any appeal. I may focus on minis within the club and practice my big bike stuff at trackday until I'm actually good enough, but I'm certainly not planning on stomping off and pouting. I don't want to be lumped in with anything that could sound like that. Seems unseamly. I just want to be safe, and not drop from the lower 15th percentile to the lower 5. I won't plug up the board with any more babbling.

Let me be clear. I dont' want to sound like a "take my marbles and run home: kind of kind of kid. I really like the CMRA and will likely be back regardless of the disposition of any appeal. I may focus on minis within the club and practice my big bike stuff at trackday until I'm actually good enough, but I'm certainly not planning on stomping off and pouting. I don't want to be lumped in with anything that could sound like that. Seems unseamly. I just want to be safe, and not drop from the lower 15th percentile to the lower 5. I won't plug up the board with any more babbling.

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear: SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH YOUR APPEAL LETTER AND I WILL POST IT TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

They will discuss it on the Board of Directors page and then respond to you personally.

Sending PMs and emails to each director just confuses the issue...they have no way of discussing it when you send it to each one individually.

I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear: SEND ME AN EMAIL WITH YOUR APPEAL LETTER AND I WILL POST IT TO THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

They will discuss it on the Board of Directors page and then respond to you personally.

Sending PMs and emails to each director just confuses the issue...they have no way of discussing it when you send it to each one individually.

I'm not one of the riders on the additional rookie expert list, but I find the decision of the BOD inconsistent with previous decisions as well as the rules. Why do we even have a rule book?

Nathan Gardner's point about safety should be emphasized. Plus, some of these riders are not ready to move up and thus will be routinely lapped. How is this “fun” for them?

If the board is going to entertain appeals from the list of “additional rookie experts”, they should do so immediately; not after two races. To make these riders wait two races would be very unfair to them.

If these riders have to wait two races and subsequently win an appeal, they will miss the points they could have earned if they were allowed to compete in the novice class from the beginning of the season. Additionally, such a practice would also give an unfair points advantage to other novices who earned points in the first two races. Everybody knows how hard it is to win or place decently if you don’t have a perfect attendance record.

Certainly “regular rookie experts” promoted in accordance with the standing rule book should have to wait two races before appealing to move to the novice class, but these “additional rookie experts” are being punished because of the lack of consideration of all of the effects of the BOD’s decision and a disregard for the rule book.

The comment about “Much of the fun amongst the promoted novices was lost when they found themselves racing alone in the expert class” is simply not valid. I am being promoted under the normal rules and so are those novice riders who ran close or better lap times than I did. I don’t see how anyone could be moving up to expert status alone…

The BOD needs to meet again and reconsider entertaining appeals from this list of “additional rookie experts” who don’t want to move up. Anything less would be unreasonable to these riders who didn’t meet the rule book requirements regarding advancement. Again, why do we have a rule book?

I'm not one of the riders on the additional rookie expert list, but I find the decision of the BOD inconsistent with previous decisions as well as the rules. Why do we even have a rule book?

Nathan Gardner's point about safety should be emphasized. Plus, some of these riders are not ready to move up and thus will be routinely lapped. How is this “fun” for them?

If the board is going to entertain appeals from the list of “additional rookie experts”, they should do so immediately; not after two races. To make these riders wait two races would be very unfair to them.

If these riders have to wait two races and subsequently win an appeal, they will miss the points they could have earned if they were allowed to compete in the novice class from the beginning of the season. Additionally, such a practice would also give an unfair points advantage to other novices who earned points in the first two races. Everybody knows how hard it is to win or place decently if you don’t have a perfect attendance record.

Certainly “regular rookie experts” promoted in accordance with the standing rule book should have to wait two races before appealing to move to the novice class, but these “additional rookie experts” are being punished because of the lack of consideration of all of the effects of the BOD’s decision and a disregard for the rule book.

The comment about “Much of the fun amongst the promoted novices was lost when they found themselves racing alone in the expert class” is simply not valid. I am being promoted under the normal rules and so are those novice riders who ran close or better lap times than I did. I don’t see how anyone could be moving up to expert status alone…

The BOD needs to meet again and reconsider entertaining appeals from this list of “additional rookie experts” who don’t want to move up. Anything less would be unreasonable to these riders who didn’t meet the rule book requirements regarding advancement. Again, why do we have a rule book?

Roger dont worrie we never walked in the same line anyway :p Once again Im NOT UPSET TO BE EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im upset I was told I would stay novice over a month ago. On what the BOD told me and anounced to the hole club I made decissions on what classes to race and what bikes to purchase. I cant go to where I purchased these bikes and say opps sorry I need a 1000 NOW. I love racing in the CMRA [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] All year long I have listen to the BOD and staff talk about how they take so much pride in there decission making and how the club doesnt make rash decissions on changing of the club rules, Thats how come our club has been so successful. Up untill this point I agreed 100% [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] What really dosent sit well is the fact that this is not a rule and there where no standards on witch the choices where made. On top of the fact the BOD public stated the new experts have allready been moved up and if you are not .6 or higher you would not be moved up period!!!!!!!!!! If you cant see why this would up set me try this. Take about 20 to 25,000.000 dollars and burn it. Now I should be able to get some of my money back. However im gonna lose about 30% of it. Do the math thats about 7500.00 [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] Now if you asked repetly if you are going expert and even talked down to for asking so many times. How would you feel? Forget the fact that you lost 7500.00 dollars [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Originally Posted by Nancey Selleck
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Member # 331

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posted October 25, 2006 02:57 PM
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Please folks, read the first post of this thread!!

Riders with 0.6 and above (in bold below) are moved to Expert...not EVERYONE on this list. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

Roger dont worrie we never walked in the same line anyway :p Once again Im NOT UPSET TO BE EXPERT!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im upset I was told I would stay novice over a month ago. On what the BOD told me and anounced to the hole club I made decissions on what classes to race and what bikes to purchase. I cant go to where I purchased these bikes and say opps sorry I need a 1000 NOW. I love racing in the CMRA [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] All year long I have listen to the BOD and staff talk about how they take so much pride in there decission making and how the club doesnt make rash decissions on changing of the club rules, Thats how come our club has been so successful. Up untill this point I agreed 100% [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] What really dosent sit well is the fact that this is not a rule and there where no standards on witch the choices where made. On top of the fact the BOD public stated the new experts have allready been moved up and if you are not .6 or higher you would not be moved up period!!!!!!!!!! If you cant see why this would up set me try this. Take about 20 to 25,000.000 dollars and burn it. Now I should be able to get some of my money back. However im gonna lose about 30% of it. Do the math thats about 7500.00 [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] Now if you asked repetly if you are going expert and even talked down to for asking so many times. How would you feel? Forget the fact that you lost 7500.00 dollars [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Originally Posted by Nancey Selleck
Administrator
Member # 331

Member Rated:
posted October 25, 2006 02:57 PM
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Please folks, read the first post of this thread!!

Riders with 0.6 and above (in bold below) are moved to Expert...not EVERYONE on this list. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]

> Roger dont worrie we never walked in the same line anyway [Razz]

True enough. You're a good egg even if you look funny anyway. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

> Roger dont worrie we never walked in the same line anyway [Razz]

True enough. You're a good egg even if you look funny anyway. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] :p [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img] :p [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

i didnt get my engraved invitation and thats ok. thanks for the bump, even though i didnt even make the original index list for lack of 15 sprints this year - i guess "crash or podium" was enough to get the bump.

unfortunately, i dont know if i will ever get over being listed on the same list as TIMMAY... :p

i didnt get my engraved invitation and thats ok. thanks for the bump, even though i didnt even make the original index list for lack of 15 sprints this year - i guess "crash or podium" was enough to get the bump.

unfortunately, i dont know if i will ever get over being listed on the same list as TIMMAY... :p

Yes, it's quite a cross to bear.

Yes, it's quite a cross to bear.

Quote:

Originally posted by David W Wilson:
Appears to be feedback streaming in now.

The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help.

Jess

Quote:

Originally posted by David W Wilson:
Appears to be feedback streaming in now.

The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help.

Jess