I'm glad you edited that reason. I thought for a second you may have gotten the wheel of your office chair caught in the curbing too.
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You've got mad skillz' alright pard'ner!
Next time let's use 'em for pit stops. :wink:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxsYUpdxJNI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxsYUpdxJNI
I can't get the link to work properly, can you see it?
I asked a TWS employee about the new curbing at turn 4 and 6, and mentioned it was dangerous for motorcycle riders. His response was very flippant, and did in fact say "well I guess they will have to take a different line through there". Then went on to mention how thats the same curbing that track 'a' and 'b' uses. If they put any new curbing in on other turns, it will more than likely be the same type.
Turn 6 before it sucked :(
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hmmmm......dreaming of quick set concrete.....
The rumble strip is so the cars dont run in the dirt, the other option would be to have a high curb there like T2, 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 lol I'd rather have the rumble strip.
Allan, the curbing in 6 is the same height as those other turns. and a high smooth curbing is much safer than a serrated one, short or high.
Even a chamfer on the leading edge of each serration would be a huge improvement, and still give the cars the feedback they desire. I'll bring my 8" angle grinder and a couple of stone wheels if they will let me at it...
How about the friggin' car guys just stay on the damn road surface!?
Watching four-wheel road course racing now, is a joke. NONE of them stay on 'the road' ever corner is how far over that curbing can I get before I completely tear the undercarriage of my vehicle apart.
'Curbing' should be treated as, "I screwed up my turn, and rode onto the curbing'. It should not used as just another element of the 'racing surface'; as we relentlessly watch their cars bounce all over the place going over it, EVERY lap.
Rip all that concrete out, and put the dirt back!...
Let them spin-out on the exit of Turn 6, and Turn 11 when they cannot stay on the 'racing surface'; and let them rip their vehicles in half, and get unnecessarily get injured, like we've had an excellent CMRA rider do recently!
The ones at COTA are pretty nice too.
The ones on the outside of the Wagon Wheel at MSR are similar to the ones at TWS T6.
It's pretty easy to know when your tires have hit a different surface than the racing surface, even on our bumpy tracks. They don't need sharp edged, 4 inch deep cuts to notice. (or whatever it actually is).
the ones at CotA are awesome, but it'd be hell running in reverse direction
-Cody
Yes...
Seeing what happened to Brandon, absolutely. Shared a garage with their family last year at Hallett, and they are good people! Have seen Brandon race for a while now, I truly admire and am jealous of his riding abilities, to accomplish what he consistently does, on multiple motorcycles!
It is appalling for what has happened to him, due to the track conditions. Then hear that a fellow CMRA member was told by a TWS employee that we motorcycle riders will just have to 'find another way around the track'. Is it not evident their (TWS) only care/focus is to the four-wheel leagues?
Seeing Jim Dugger's leathers over the past race weekend, and hearing him talk about how he almost took his knee off in Turn 6; who's another racer who I think is a great rider.
Does being Mr. Nice Guy get anywhere very quickly, when we're talking about proven injuries and property damage, and narrow escapes from further injuries/damage, get you anywhere!?
We've got two more events there for 2013, do you expect it to be better by then, without the topic getting traction and heat (pun intended for what we need to go fast) by the racers and BoD?
Sometimes progress is slow, but there's a 100% chance being adversarial will get us nowhere.
For all we know, the TWS employee who made the off-comment isn't in a position of decision or influence anyway, so I rather see that as representative of the general market attitude regarding motorcycles, and not necessarily something to be alarmed about.
I know Walter is speaking with TWS management about the curbing, so the process has started.
Find some air-conditioning and a couple of beers tonight, k? ;) I love ya buddy but you can get a bit steamy-headed on issues you are passionate about. I guess that's a good thing in many ways, but let's channel it into a positive outcome.
Am sorry for my rant, and appreciate the understanding of those who do know the 'passion' that I put forth for things, and people that I care about, and have respect for.
Not putting it out there as an excuse for my rant, am just having a really bad time at my job currently, being that we're 40% short in our staff, and my 'vision' of people/groups who have "control" in making things better, is very narrow-sighted at this time; and that is not meant that those in CMRA, but those in control of the tracks we ride.
Thank you
Don't apologize Greg, you wrote what 99% of the club feels. It had to be said, and it's out there now, and we can all agree it needs to be addressed. Now let me get my torch and pitchfork!