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+1 here. "No good deed goes unpunished."Quote:
Originally Posted by David Hicks
Mike let me give you some advice, stick to racing not spreading rumors. I started this company when you were in elementary school. Good luck with your new track day sponsor and racing next year. Everyone can use a little help.
Its really funny how some people go thru life, long after they are the next big flash in the pan the old guy in the corner with a steady light is still there shining to help others see not blinding everyone.
I've never done a track day with LSTD, but even I'm embarrassed by these attacks on them and their integrity. OMG.
Anyone who thinks there is a ton of money to be made doing trackdays should start up a trackday organization and do it. It's easy. Hire lots of corner workers, instructors, grid personnel, and rent lots and lots of ambulances and a front loader to clear the track quickly of all the wrecked bikes so nobody misses a lap. You can also have a chopper standing by just in case transport is needed. You could charge $80 per rider and give 20% off to pre-registered riders, cmra, wera, motogp and anyone else. If it's so easy to follow all the business plans laid out in this thread you folks would be stupid not to do it. Easy money.
Agreed, but the number of ambulances is under their control. I think most riders are very disappointed at the lack for riding time. Lone star puts on a great track day, but it is very frustrating when you get little track time and that is why some are upset.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Headley
If I went to a restaurant and my burger came out after waiting for two hours not how I ordered it I wouldn't just sit back and eat it I'd complain. What is the difference here am I not allowed to complain because they sponsor a few races?
Limiting overhead with potential risk to the product is a clear indicator of a business with razor thin margins. Knowing what ambulance services cost, I can easily see how that fee could be the deciding factor on financial failure. Expecting LSTD to shoulder all the risk of low turnout is unreasonable. There is a reason airlines sell more tickets than they have seats. It is financial risk mitigation and sometimes, it does not work out as intended.
Wow! This thread really spiraled out of control! Im a newer novice, but im in the opinion that S@#T happens as well. I was pitted across from the father and son was one of the red flags on Friday. I think i was more concerned for the dad that had to worry about his son being taken to the hospital in an ambulance, and offering my help to him if he needed it, than being more concerned with losing some track time. Ive got 20 years in fire and ems, and so does my wife. I guess we just have a little different train of thought. I ride with several different track day groups, and each have their strong points, yet all have been very helpful and nice to me and my wife. Keep your chin up Steve. Anyway that was my two cents. Thanks guys.
first world problems.
Jordon,
Sure you have the right to complain. The late order and ****ty food was the employees or ownerships fault not the other customers. I just find it amusing when other riders with affiliations to other groups or their supporters make comments that take a thread and make it personal. AGAIN.....
I want every person that comes to one of our events to have a great day and feel like they got a good value for their money. I will always try to make that happen......
Everyone please keep this thread constructive or keep your mouths shut. If you want drama , there are plenty of track day sponsored forums where you can go and drama yourself to death!
Waylon, thanks!!! Michael was very shaken up seeing Jeff laying out there on the track.
i told my wife about this thread... she rolled her eyes and asked if all the unhappy people would prefer they just not throw the red flags... just swing around your friends that have fallen...
like jesse pointed out, it is going to be a long off season for some of you...
this prefaces my post perfectly.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Black
I was entering the chicane right as the rider came to a rest in the track and his bike also in the track. I put my hand up and slowed to enter the pits as i knew it was going to be a red flag. Several riders came flying by and up onto the banking at a proximity to the downed rider that made me uncomfortable for his safety. This was the expert group. You guys should know better. At the very least go to the riders meeting, they will explain little things like what to do in case of an on track emergency. I was disappointed I had to miss most of my half day as well but I was very happy to be able to race Sunday. Thanks Steve I had a blast.
Yeah Steve I can imagine he was shaken up. Anyone needing a reality check of how dangerous this sport can be, should have went and looked at that bike by the tech barn. Afterall, this is club racing and not pro. Its about having fun and helping people. I had my very first race Sunday and had a blast, and didnt finish last, and i only started track riding in July! If it weren't for organizations, and people like the ones at LSTD, and T3, i would not have progressed as fast as I have or feel as confident as I do in my riding. So thanks again to everyone who has helped me out, whether youre an individual or part of a track day group!
How about that weather? Let's move on people.
Change the thread title to whaaaamberlamps please.
Haha no kidding!! I made the first two practices as a prov nov, on a 1000, on slicks dodging puddles, while the back tire was breaking loose! It was fun and scary at the same time!!!
Why is everyone making this so personal and ruining what it's all about? What do we all enjoy? Riding/racing.
Can we please move on to something else like what you're going to be for Halloween? Who's with me?
Ill be at work, so i guess ill be a paramedic for halloween!
Valid point, but ems is in the providers control. I do not pretend to know costs or have any experience running a td but I do know cmra runs two ambulances. It would be very nice to have the same on a practice day. it is a huge advantage to get a lot of seat time on Friday especially for me as a new racer, the first time I had been to tws was at a Friday practice before a race (back in July). That extra seat time helped me a lot! I think I even corner worked for my half day because I am cheap lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve McNamara
Not sure if your comments were directed at me but I am in no way attacking you personally if you do feel that way I am very sorry and do not mean it that way. Just frustrated about riding so little on Friday and am voicing a complaint.
At the previous (early-October) TWS event, Steve worked with me through an unexpected personal matter that surfaced that Thursday evening, which I had to handle Friday morning, and miss the full-day that I pre-paid / registered for. I was only able to ride the afternoon, and he credited me back the half-day cost. He didn't have to, and I appreciate the cooperation. Maybe other track day organizations would have done the same, maybe not, it was still something that I appreciate. Thank you Steve.
There are too many drama-llamas around lately, on numerous forums / online venues, who stick their noses into matters that they don't understand, and offer Zero constructive input, or simply really have no business even posting anything!
As Steve asked, let's all try and keep attitudes and emotions out of this, and focus on the goal of having a fun and productive track/race-practice day, that benefits the provider and each rider.
I may have been one of those riders that passed you. Myself and another rider (I do not know who he is) were catching approximately four motorcycles ahead of us in the chicane. We COULD NOT see past the riders to know there was a wreck ahead of us before anyone put there hand up. I saw only ONE rider of the four put his hand up and the others cut across the track to get to pit without signaling. I had to split two riders and almost had another wreck on our hands because they exited from the right hand side of the track without signaling. By the time I saw the wreck (and some parts on the track) it was too late to safely exit to pit road and I had to do another lap along with one other rider. There was a third rider that blew past the both of us like we were sitting still well after we were on the straight with our hands up signaling in anticipation of a red flag. Remember, just because you can see the downed rider from your vantage point, it doesn't mean the riders behind you can. And with only one person signaling to exit to pit it seemed like a normal lap until a few seconds later.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Warren
No kidding, mitch! I don't know a lot of you that are talking garbage. But I know for a fact, you don't know mac or you wouldn't spew venom. And when you insult him, I think you insult everyone that works for him and everyone he's helped make their racing easier over the years. and the list is long. im not sure why peyton has such a boner for mac but it seems like his only agenda is to expose him as the villain he isn't. I wish he'd pick up a bigger brush and start painting with broader strokes. I see nothing he's stated that would make anyone want to join our club. soon, everything he says will become totally meaningless, if it hasn't already. there are some good points here but a lot of ya'll need to become more familiar with lstd and the track days business before you criticize so terribly. and try to be a little more sensible on the track..its practice!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitch Williams
I can understand people's frustrations without getting much tracktime. It is valid to ask why and what can be done. It is NOT valid to keep whining and borderline personal-attacking just because you don't like the answer. Again, it's cool to ask and complain, but keep it constructive, and realize you may not like the answer.
What's interesting, is that many of them are fairly new, and several have self identified as cheap. So, with little knowledge, and a stated goal to stay as cheap as possible, they still want higher services. Guess what? More service costs more. Trying to remain constructive, I'll refrain from saying "Ante up or Shut up", even if one might validly feel that way too.
Steve and LSTD in general do a great job. The primary problem is too many people riding over their heads, and that is where some of the ire should be directed. LSTD is just more convenient to lash out at. The ambulance shortage is secondary. While I too think it should be addressed if at all possible (I did hear several people, who are the types of guys who are pretty reasonable and glad to spend money on their sport, say they don't care to return) I think we ultimately have to accept the business owners' decision. They are the ones with the big picture and the costs and the actual INFORMATION.
Even though I spend a lot more time with another org, all of LSTD does a good job, and I'm glad to be at some of their events, and I really think there are some uninformed, unreasonable, unmannered people chiming in. I hope they use winter to chill rather than lather up and foam.
(again, not all of you, but jeez...)
Hang in there Steve.
[QUOTE=Roger Albert;283475]I can understand people's frustrations without getting much tracktime. It is valid to ask why and what can be done. It is NOT valid to keep whining and borderline personal-attacking just because you don't like the answer. Again, it's cool to ask and complain, but keep it constructive, and realize you may not like the answer.
What's interesting, is that many of them are fairly new, and several have self identified as cheap. So, with little knowledge, and a stated goal to stay as cheap as possible, they still want higher services. Guess what? More service costs more. Trying to remain constructive, I'll refrain from saying "Ante up or Shut up", even if one might validly feel that way too.
Steve and LSTD in general do a great job. The primary problem is too many people riding over their heads, and that is where some of the ire should be directed. LSTD is just more convenient to lash out at. The ambulance shortage is secondary. While I too think it should be addressed if at all possible (I did hear several people, who are the types of guys who are pretty reasonable and glad to spend money on their sport, say they don't care to return) I think we ultimately have to accept the business owners' decision. They are the ones with the big picture and the costs and the actual INFORMATION.
Even though I spend a lot more time with another org, all of LSTD does a good job, and I'm glad to be at some of their events, and I really think there are some uninformed, unreasonable, unmannered people chiming in. I hope they use winter to chill rather than lather up and foam.
(again, not all of you, but jeez...)
Hang in there Steve.[/QUOTE
ride like you share the track on Fridays. ride like you own it on sundays.
Thanks Roger,
As I stated previously it is hard to dial in services when 50 riders pre register. I can assure everyone here that the ambulance issue in 2014 will be a mute point. Let's talk about machine requirements or class structure for 2014.
Case closed.....
Thank you, Steve. I will make sure to pre register to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve McNamara