HaHa. But not sure about that. Ask Kasey Lewis, or Joe and other guys that no longer make it from El Paso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Gurevich
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HaHa. But not sure about that. Ask Kasey Lewis, or Joe and other guys that no longer make it from El Paso.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Gurevich
While I think it is clearly better to maintain closer to an alternating / every-other schedule for BB vs LW, recognizing that a ton of other factors come into play, this is a pretty darn good schedule.
NOLA will be way more fun for LW than TWS since they decided to run it in the boring long course the last couple years. And people that have been around longer, though they may miss Oakhill in the summer, will see the value in not starting the round in the north with frozen riders, radiators, and waterpumps. I don't like the long drives period, but early rounds virtually guaranteed to be ice free are sweet.
In summary, good job Walter, Staff, and Board.
You base that guess on what? We ran 44 bikes on the 1.7 mi CCW-MSR April round in 2016. The ULWE race at the 1.7 CW-MSR had 40 bikes start the race. I vote for the full course(2.75miles) at NOLA so turns 3-7 will be included! I hope you're right Steve!Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Smith
It's fun ccw also. It's actually the intended direction by track design. There is a wall either way, but I think ccw is safer. JmoQuote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
The only thing that has ever run the short corse at NOLA is Groms, Minis (F5/6/7/8) and Junior Motard. 250s+ have always been on the long course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Gooding
Good to hear! That warms the cockles of my heart!Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael De Simone
Heart cockles? http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...d7d1cac2bc.jpg
You can treat 'em with this:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
http://www.vetshopmax.com/Assets/Pro...gard_brown.jpg
(Chewable, too, because I know you don't like pills...)
yea it started that way.. till we got faster. we get roughly 15 hours out of a rear on the 250 and its a street tire.. When we stopped ridding BBE we where going through 3 rears during the 8 hour while pitting next to the village idiots watching them go through 3 fronts and 8 rears :shock: ..so for a new team yea it will be roughly double. But for a "fast" team on anything 600cc+ its quit a bit more expensive if your going for the win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
The "cockles of ones heart" is supposedly in reference to the chordae tendonae which tether the valve leaflets of the heart to the walls of the chambers of the heart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
Sorry, thats all I have to contribute to this thread because I don't endurance race.
Thanks for the schedule Walter. :wave:
I knew I took a screen shot for a reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Caruso
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Thanks for the information Joe.
The following picture is a further educated MD focus of the Heart Cockles originally mentioned by Mr Orr.
Merry Christmas and to all a healthy new year. Take care of your heart so it can continue taking care of you on the track.
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Exactly! And Merry Christmas!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
Heart cockles. You started it Brandon.
That word gets you excited doesn't it? I don't think Brandon started that talk! You been drinking heavily on Monday..again?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
Ben, you started it here. What you don't know is that Brandon is always talking about Cockles, Dictators, Hormones, Kumquats and Uranus. He is a very interesting and unique fellow. I believe it has something to do with him looking like young Professor Charles Xavier.
Careful what you are thinking, he is reading your mind.
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LMAO......Now that's seriously funny! I almost spit my eggs all over my computer screen, laughing aloud!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
I'd like to know when I ever said that? Was that during the concussion?
Quick question, since CMRA will be conducting all Friday practices will tech be open Thurs evenings? Or will we be putting everyone through Fri am?
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We're working on our staffing plan as we speak. I hope to have that information soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Snyder
Perhaps with a slightly higher fee and working with a promoter COTA could be added. It's sad that we have the premier track in the nation but yet have been unable added to the schedule. Dave Wonder likely could broker a deal for CMRA with COTA. It would be a good PR outreach move from both RideSmart and COTA toward CMRA members who're regular clients of both RideSmart and COTA.
George - There have been several threads on this, and while it sounds great, is not financially feasible at this time. CotA would have to give the CMRA one hell of a discount to make it work.Quote:
Originally Posted by GEORGE SCHAGAR
Don't hurt him too bad Steve, He only has 1 post:jawdrop: :deadhorse:Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Smith
That's why it be an outreach move from COTA same as when NRG or ATT Stadiums have hight school football games. I'm sure they do so at a lost. COTA wouldn't lose money they just wouldn't profit as much. But I do understand that's been a long discussion.
Some things to consider:Quote:
Originally Posted by GEORGE SCHAGAR
- To what extent would increasing fees at 1 round to cover its expensive "nut" discourage attendance at other rounds throughout the year?
- Is it fair to those Sprinters and Teams chasing Championships to require payment of those higher fees at one round to keep their chances alive for the year?
- What big ticket sponsors are out there to chase that could achieve an ROI by subsidizing a CMRA round at COTA?
- Who would oversee tackling the unique challenges and obstacles involved with producing such an event? It could easily be a full-time job.
- How have other "one-off" events operated and how did they fare at COTA, like MotoAmerica and X-Games?
I can picture a one-off National Invitational with a big name sponsor to attract racers, reaching out to C3 Presents to run concerts each night for local spectator draw, and then hoping enough people show up for concessions and merchandise sales to support the bottom line, all of this could possibly break even assuming everything worked perfectly (rain!). But it's so far outside what the CMRA does and does well, and it would require neglecting significant aspects of the full CMRA season, that I don't think the risk/reward warrants dropping a proven business model honed over decades for the limelight.
Just my take on it.
You're right about not increasing the fee for CMRA members for a COTA venue, but there're alternatives. Pair up with a concert weekeend (often at COTA) which will translate to bigger revenue for COTA, there's always ways alternatives. My dad use to own a hotel and he had a saying an empty hotel room brings in 'NO' revenue. The room you thought cost 80 dollars back then at the right time we let you have it for 30 bucks or less. An empty COTA weekend not revenue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Phillips
George why do you not come up in any searches under that name? No FB, No Google, No Google+, No Physician finder hum perplexing indeed....are you Dave Wonders in disguise? or are you Juris Zagars in real life
I'm curious and inquisitive by nature :biggrin:
An empty hotel room brings in no revenue, true. So why can't I book hotel rooms for $1? Oh, because there are fixed costs. Security, corner workers (COTA supplies its own corner workers), fire crews, track wear and tear, and insurance for both the facility itself and the people in it. You mention that many large stadiums host things like high school football games, possibly at a loss. Well, most big-time stadiums are built with state funds, and part of that contract is that a certain number of public events (e.g. high school games) be hosted. If you like, you can lobby the state legislature to lump CMRA races in the state's "major events" fund that helps cover the cost of the MotoGP/F1 races. Other stadiums host smaller events because giving a 16-year-old kid the chance to play for a state championship under the lights is quite a bit different from giving a 40-year-old car salesman a chance to get 7th in a race that 12 people entered.
Also, COTA is not empty as often as you seem to think. There are actually private events out there most weekends. BMW, Mercedes, Audi, Ducati, and many other brands host demo days out there. And they probably pay a lot more than we can offer.
COTA would have to cost us $150+ per sprint, with the same level of participation as the opening round (if not more) all while drawing paid public viewing, concessions and much more to have a prayer at breaking even. While I would be the first to jump on the COTA band wagon as a racer (24 mins door to door from my house), I would not be willing to do so at the individual sprint entry fees I suspect would be required to make the numbers work. All of this, coupled with the face that the top riders would be almost forced to participate regardless of the cost to maintain their standings is not an overall intelligent decision for the club to make. Perhaps a shootout round, but then we go right back to individual rider cost..the never ending circle of death.
It's the same name. Long story short, yes in fact I'm going to drop Schagar and use only Zagars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Snyder
Cool just curiousQuote:
Originally Posted by GEORGE SCHAGAR
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If it's not feasible then it's not but I do think they're alternatives that could allowed COTA to be part of the CMRA schedule. Good PR is as good as any reason.
I can imagine a grom race at COTA going up the hill 🤔
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I want to go down that hill on my Grom.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Snyder
Since there's already a proven formula of a national series partnering with a world series event to make COTA a reality, the CMRA can join up with F1. If every Superleg(however you spell the rest of that) owner in the state got a race license and started attending all the CMRA events, the way they attend the RideSmart COTA events, then we'd be going to all the nice facilities. The CMRA would handle all the logistics of shipping our equipment to the away races, like Assen and Silverstone, via air freight containers.
Just make sure you don't wheelie in the process or get on the curbs or they'll black flag you. :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael De Simone
A dollar would be a lost giving, guessing, cleaning the room cost at a minimum 6 to 8 dollars, 30 minutes on average to clean a room. But it does work that way, when you stay at a hotel the person in the next room is likely not paying the same rate you are and for sure the person next to you on the airplane isn't paying the same for his ticket. Each year I get an email asking to volunteer as coner worker for COTA's MotoGP. And CMRA is more the 40 y.o. guy or 50 y.o. it's also where Steve Wise, Colin Edwards, Kevin Schwants, Freddie Spencer, to name some that got started CMRA. COTA can have a go kart races but yet we can't organize a motorcycle race for the premier regional organization?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carter Rossner
Not sure if anyone is aware of this, but GEORGE SCHAGAR is an anagram for "HO-RAG EGG RACES".Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Snyder
So maybe that pulls back the veil a bit.
MotoGP uses volunteer marshals because so many are required (8-10 per corner, and some stationed on straights). There are still plenty of paid staff on hand. I volunteered myself two years ago.
And as others have said, it's not an issue of "can." Obviously, we can. The issue is, "Is it prudent?" Even if we got blistering deal, three days of track rental would probably run in the $50k range. How many endurance teams would compete when the entry fees are $250 or $300/hr? What if we have an incident (accident, weather, or otherwise) that forces races to be cancelled? Each of the last 3 years, we've had an event cut short. Simply put, the risk to the club and the burden on individual members is just too high right now.
Beyond that, George, are you an actual CMRA member? I can't find any George Schagar or Zagars as having held a license or entered a race in the last several years. Are you just a fan?
50k for three days total or 50k/day? Because there is absolutely no way you can get it for three days with a total cost of 50k.....$16,667/day..LMAO! Where did you get those numbers from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Carter Rossner
I said "blistering deal" :) I agree, sub-$20k/day is probably not realistic. I recall seeing somewhere last year that they were looking for $25-$30k per day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ben Gooding
When my father and his parents migrate from Latvian during war world 2 they were sponsor to come to America by my great uncle who had migrate during war wold 1 and Latvia was part of Germany at that time and Latvian names were Germanize Žagars to Schagar Ž sounds like Sch, google it. It was my legal name up until when Latvia regain its independence and I acquire Latvian citizenship too. But regardless I do believe COTA should be and it's possible to be included in the schedule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Felio
Not taking the step yet but have been riding at level 3 practically since I started doing track days. But probably too competitive to jump in which I know is a mistake giving racing would help my lap times. But I don't believe that bars me from having an opinion and if it isn't doable then that's that but I'm not convince that's the case. COTA did use tax payers money and I usually oppose that but in this case it was smart. COTA has generated enough money for Texas to upset any tax payers money. For example Michael Schumacher's wife purchased a horse ranch that has been breeding prime competition horses and exporting them to Europe. She only purchased the ranch because Michael came to race here in Texas. I'm sure hotel and restaurants owners in Austin will attest to the fact that COTA has been a gold mind for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carter Rossner
Woah.. Level 3 at Ridesmart huh. Impressive.
It would've been impressive had I stay in level 2 at RideSmart. That level is for true brave or naive. So, according to you I've yet to earn an opinion among the wise men of CMRA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Garcia
Hey man, come on, we're a family here. No need for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul Garcia
:+1:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Phillips
How is "the family" determined? Paying Member? New BBS poster with 9 posts? The man who gets the CMRA on COTA? RS TD rider?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted Phillips
Someone with an uneducated non-researched opinion? Someone that doesn't sue the CMRA and the board? Inquiring minds want to know?
Here's a suggestion for George:
Pay your membership dues, take the CMRA licensing school, do some corner working, and race to remove your prov-nov status. Then speak with COTA and put together a thorough proposal with all the associated costs that you can present to the CMRA BOD for consideration. You make that happen and get us on COTA, then you can become the "Don" of the family!
Thanks. I agree.