"UPDATED" 2019 SEASON SCHEDULE!!

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11-28-2018, 07:25 PM
Ryan Max Johnson

It’s more than just the motor...an equal rider will go faster on a 400 than a 500, similar builds...

The R3 and 500 can be pretty close in lap times. The 500 has more top end, but the r3 handles better.

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11-29-2018, 12:12 AM
Rusty Grant

Then 2 races each seems like a pretty good compromise.
2, 2, & 2.
11-30-2018, 10:53 PM
Derek Thomas

so I know for fact the 400 in race trim vs. my 500, c 1/4 tank of fuel, 500 has 42lbs on the 400. can we open the 500 to true 500cc? They aren't that slow but u have to ride pee pee out of them. I can get around pretty good on one, but I suspect I could go faster on 400....anyone have one for me to perform a test :biggrioops sorry...looked back at notes...its 47#...how could I have forgotten that number?
12-01-2018, 01:10 PM
Danny Dominguez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rusty Grant

Then 2 races each seems like a pretty good compromise.
2, 2, & 2.

Just a thought, if we do 2,2,2 that means the 400s and 500s are effectively out of the points race for the ultwt #1 plate..best 3 races count, That means, if we do 2,2,2 then the R3/Ktm390 is the only bikes to have a shot at the new #! plate chase...is that what you guys want?
12-01-2018, 02:23 PM
Josh Henke

Truth bomb!
12-01-2018, 02:41 PM
Michael Klesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Dominguez

Just a thought, if we do 2,2,2 that means the 400s and 500s are effectively out of the points race for the ultwt #1 plate..best 3 races count, That means, if we do 2,2,2 then the R3/Ktm390 is the only bikes to have a shot at the new #! plate chase...is that what you guys want?

What everyone wants is a equal shot.

What would be your opinion on how we should do it next year so it’s “fair” for a 250, 300 and 400? The current system clearly favors a 400.
12-01-2018, 03:02 PM
Danny Dominguez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

What everyone wants is a equal shot.

What would be your opinion on how we should do it next year so it’s “fair” for a 250, 300 and 400? The current system clearly favors a 400.

not every rider will think any thing is fair unless it favors them...I did NOT tell Kawasaki to build a ninja 400....CMRA hasnt even turned a wheel on the "current system" so i cant say what or who it favors.....if there was a way possible it would be 3,3,3 but there is no way to schedule it.....Personally im ok with doing away with the number 1 and going for class championships so everyone will think its "fair"
12-11-2018, 07:53 AM
Jeff Phillips

Please read the new class structure again. Each of the Ultralightweight bike will have at least 3 classes they can enter for the #1 plate.

250 - E Superstock, E Superbike, 300 Superstock
300 - 300 Superstoke, 300 superbike, 500 superstock
400/500 - 500 Superstock, 500 Superbike, ULWGP
12-11-2018, 08:12 AM
Michael Klesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Phillips

Please read the new class structure again. Each of the Ultralightweight bike will have at least 3 classes they can enter for the #1 plate.

250 - E Superstock, E Superbike, 300 Superstock
300 - 300 Superstoke, 300 superbike, 500 superstock
400/500 - 500 Superstock, 500 Superbike, ULWGP

Still favors the kawasaki 400. The 300 will have to race up a class and will not be competitive in the 3rd class. A superbike R3 will not be competitive against same rider on a stock 400. And a superbike R3 will not be legal for 300 superstock.

The number#1 plate will be a 400.
12-12-2018, 07:20 PM
Shane Smith

"UPDATED" 2019 SEASON SCHEDULE!!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

Still favors the kawasaki 400. The 300 will have to race up a class and will not be competitive in the 3rd class. A superbike R3 will not be competitive against same rider on a stock 400. And a superbike R3 will not be legal for 300 superstock.

The number#1 plate will be a 400.

Got a point... I wonder if we could spilt the ULWGP class in to 400 and 300, but be on track at the same time, so that all makes have equal number of opportunities?

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12-12-2018, 07:41 PM
Scott McDaniel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Smith

Got a point... I wonder if we could spilt the ULWGP class in to 400 and 300, but be on track at the same time, so that all makes have equal number of opportunities?

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Great idea, that might even increase race entries and increase revenue for the club. Sounds like a no brainer!!
12-12-2018, 08:56 PM
Mike Ziegler

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Originally Posted by Scott McDaniel

So any chance there will be another class for the R3, Ninja 300, and 390?
If we have two 500 classes and the F3 class rules change to allow 400"s "I think I read this somewhere or Walter said it in a riders meeting" that's three classes the 400 will be competitive and only one class "ULWGP" the 300's will be competitive in. Two classes that are specific to the Ninja 250's.
ULWGP was the largest grid in the expert class last year and second largest in the Novice class last year.
Maybe if we add another class for the ULWGP folks, we can increase race entries.

sounds good +1
12-12-2018, 08:57 PM
Mike Ziegler

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Originally Posted by Scott McDaniel

Whatever we can do to get at least two classes that's competitive for the 300s.
I bet your right, but looking at last years numbers there's more members that own ULWGP bikes than any other bike in the club. We might as well get them another class and make a dollar while doing so.

I second this...+1
12-13-2018, 06:02 AM
Michael Klesel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shane Smith

Got a point... I wonder if we could spilt the ULWGP class in to 400 and 300, but be on track at the same time, so that all makes have equal number of opportunities?

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I like this. BOD, is this possible?
12-13-2018, 02:04 PM
Jordan Pence

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

Still favors the kawasaki 400. The 300 will have to race up a class and will not be competitive in the 3rd class. A superbike R3 will not be competitive against same rider on a stock 400. And a superbike R3 will not be legal for 300 superstock.

The number#1 plate will be a 400.

someone could easily win it w/ an r3 depending on participation.

No reason an r3 couldn't win in 500ss, 600s beat 1ks all the time.
12-14-2018, 06:28 PM
shawn randall

Will novices be practicing with experts in the big bike group?

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01-02-2019, 11:53 AM
David Branyon

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Originally Posted by Keith Hertell

FYI - I know more people that have bought 250's to race next year than 400's

Yeah. Like me. Making that seem like a really stupid move. Buy a bike, and the class is deleted. Y'all already killed BBE. If you're trying to tell me to leave the club, just say so and I'll leave so you don't have to keep butchering classes. Sheesh.
01-02-2019, 12:02 PM
Josh Henke

I appreciate the sentiment in the frustration. Hopefully you'll find a lot of folks on 250s and just enjoy the crap out of racing with them... and whooping folks on 400s. You may not podium. Lesson I learned racing my SV650 for so long. If there was money to be won, I might feel different.
01-02-2019, 12:20 PM
David Branyon

I enduranced SVs for a few hundred years and always had the chance to win. Didn't achieve it very regularly, but had the chance. They're still the bike in F2 (if F2 hasn't changed also) so not sure I see the relevance, but yeah, we'll still race and have fun.

It'd just be fun if last year's popular bike wasn't suddenly without a class this year. Just pushing to keep a class or two for 250's that don't allow the 300's. Seems there should be room in the operation for that. Not sure I've followed all of this discussion and it may be that it's absolutely the case, but the posts about "well, there are really no 250's anyway" are a little disheartening.
01-02-2019, 12:22 PM
David Branyon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan Pence

someone could easily win it w/ an r3 depending on participation.

No reason an r3 couldn't win in 500ss, 600s beat 1ks all the time.

When you get to a power level where you have to modulate a LOT, then additional power is not worth so much. When you're on a 250 or 300 and you're wide open for 80+% of the track, power matters a LOT. imho.
01-02-2019, 01:09 PM
Michael De Simone

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Branyon

Yeah. Like me. Making that seem like a really stupid move. Buy a bike, and the class is deleted. Y'all already killed BBE. If you're trying to tell me to leave the club, just say so and I'll leave so you don't have to keep butchering classes. Sheesh.

We still have 250 Superstock and 250 Superbike (formerly ESS & ESB). It's just on Sunday now. 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon.
01-02-2019, 01:52 PM
David Branyon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael De Simone

We still have 250 Superstock and 250 Superbike (formerly ESS & ESB). It's just on Sunday now. 1 in the morning and 1 in the afternoon.

Happy to hear there will still be a couple of classes for the 250's. Thanks for that clarification. Gotta admit, I'm not thrilled about potentially being in the 3rd race and the 2nd-to-last race of the day. No matter if they flip the schedule or not, you're always at the end of the day all year.

"Some people would complain if you hung them with a brand new rope." Lol.
01-02-2019, 02:03 PM
David Branyon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danny Dominguez

Personally I'm ok with doing away with the number 1 and going for class championships so everyone will think its "fair"

:+1:
01-02-2019, 03:03 PM
Keith Hertell

David, for a day or two the class structure was very different than what is shown now. What we have now seems pretty good to me.

I hope it works out.
01-02-2019, 07:24 PM
David Branyon

Yeah, kind of putting that together gradually on my annual message board drop in. Lol. A bit hard to follow the trail, but yeah. But the 4x #1's strikes me wrong in any case so just jumping on the wagon on that one. Apologies. Nothing to see here. Keep it moving folks.
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01-02-2019, 10:00 PM
Michael De Simone

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Branyon

Happy to hear there will still be a couple of classes for the 250's. Thanks for that clarification. Gotta admit, I'm not thrilled about potentially being in the 3rd race and the 2nd-to-last race of the day. No matter if they flip the schedule or not, you're always at the end of the day all year.

"Some people would complain if you hung them with a brand new rope." Lol.

That will impact how much I race for sure.
01-03-2019, 08:32 AM
Cody Stewart

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael De Simone

That will impact how much I race for sure.

Could be worse...could be trying to run the 'B' expert classes.
01-04-2019, 07:51 AM
Steven Smith

Quote:

Originally Posted by David Branyon

Happy to hear there will still be a couple of classes for the 250's. Thanks for that clarification. Gotta admit, I'm not thrilled about potentially being in the 3rd race and the 2nd-to-last race of the day. No matter if they flip the schedule or not, you're always at the end of the day all year..

When they flip the schedule (based on previous pattern), it is only the afternoon portion. So you would have Race 3 all year. The 2nd to last race, Race 20, would be Race 13 the following round and flip-flop between 20 and 13 all year.
01-26-2019, 10:55 AM
David Branyon

Great to hear! That sounds much better. It's almost like someone thought through this previously or something. Thanks Walter et al.!

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