Printable View
I Feel like I would be happier if we did big bikes on sat and small bikes on Sunday. This way I don't have to sit around all day saturday hundreds of thousand miles away from home and I could get home earlier on Sunday or even sat night.
Let's mix it up and be unconventional next year. I feel like if the little bikes are that they should have the prime Sunday exposure.
#slownovicelivesmatter
Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk
Looking forward to this also...trying to make endurance team plans, but this information is needed to move forward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Dominguez
AgreedQuote:
Originally Posted by dean webster
Any word on the make up of the 2020 schedule? Will there be a Super Teams in 2020, trying to put together 1 or 2 Prov Nov teams.
I'll be 100% honest on this. The cost per hour to run Superteams this season was much higher than the income that was generated by Superteams. We needed 6 additional teams at every event in 2019 just to break even on the event costs. That doesn't include the monthly overhead that must be factored into everything we do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
We believe that the concept of Superteams is sound but as of yet it just hasn't taken off.
What caused this?
1) Lack of understanding of the rules. (Competitors and Officials)
2) Not promoting the series properly.
3) Lack of interest.
4) A combination of all of the above.
Superteams might just need more time to catch on but as stated above time is money.
I’m hopeful that the club puts together a concerted effort to get the word out about the SuperTeam’s race, how it works, who can participate and what bikes are eligible to be run.
The entire idea was designed to be the most simple track time with as few rules as possible at an affordable cost point for members. The rules accomplished exactly that, however there isn’t enough of an understanding of who and what can participate.
This lack of understanding of how SuperTeams works was further compounded by officials incorrectly clarifying rules and questions from members who wanted to participate but were wrongly told no. I appreciate Walters acknowledgement of this specific issue and I’m sure that this is being addressed.
I’m hearing that big bike sprints may be moved back to Sunday. I think this would further encourage SuperTeams entries since it would be the primary riding option on Saturday for big bikes.
I’m not aware of another proposal that’s on the table to replace SuperTeams on the non endurance weekends. Maybe there is a really good one in the works, however, it would be great to see what seems to be a significant value in the SuperTeams race given the necessary focus and encouragement for a chance to succeed before it gets pulled from the Saturday program.
Looking forward to the schedule updates to come. Thanks to those putting in the time to make the CMRA be successful.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Thanks for the reply Walter and John. I've been kicking around the idea of fielding 1 or 2 Super Teams, comprised of Prov Nov's and newer novices. As a way to get some new riders into the club, and mentor them and make the transition from track day to racing a bit smoother, give them a clearer picture. I have mostly 1 team filled with verbal commitments. And Jay Bullard has offered to Captain/Team Owner a 2nd team as the first fills out.
When I started racing, I was on a team of 1 expert and 4 novices, mostly prov nov's. I wanna give back to the sport and help a new group along, I think Super Teams is a great way to do just that. A bit more relaxed atmosphere. I am meeting Ignacio of 316 Track Days this Saturday to discuss if/how we can promote this to 316. I personally feel some track day riders that are on the fence might see this as an opportunity to get out to an event.
I get that changes need to be made, I liked the Saturday Sprints personally. But, I am done Sprint racing for the foreseeable future. I hope Super Team's is considered, but I understand the need to use the day wisely and cover the costs. Walter, you mentioned it was gonna be a tough decision, so I've kind of known all along it wasn't a given. Which is why I asked before I got too deep into planning and recruiting.
Thanks,
There were two instances of an Official misinforming competitors about Superteams. Those mistakes were pointed out and that Official was brought up to speed on the rules. I do have to point out that the correct information is readily available in the rule book. All a competitor needs to do is read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Orchard
While its unfortunate that those two teams did not participate it would not have made much difference if they had. As I mentioned above we needed 6 additional Superteams entries at every event this season just to break even on the cost per hour. I understand that in the grand scheme of things the cost per hour thing doesn't mean all that much if the other events running on the same day with Superteams cover the nut. Unfortunately that was not the case.
Some of our ULW riders have asked that we go back to the split schedule we had in 2018. Unfortunately that will be impossible. The combined schedule was frankly a necessity due to the additional ULW classes that were added for 2019. We had 10 ULW classes in 2018, that grew to 16 in 2019. One option that has been discussed to replace Superteams is double sprint weekends. F1, F2, A B C D Superbike and Superstock, and LWT would get two races each spread over Saturday and Sunday. Obviously we need to get this all nailed down very soon. We have a BoD meeting scheduled for this weekend. Finalizing the event schedules is on the agenda.
I don't know the answer but please don't do this. It will kill the CMRA in my opinion. That's double cost on three or 4 weekends. For people chasing points and on a budget it will discourage them participating since they may not be able to pull off the extra cost. Without racing in the extra races there is no way to be points competitive and if only one race counts towards totals why race two?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
I personally think this would reduce participation not increase.
Sent from my SM-G960U1 using Tapatalk
I understand you have to do what's best for the club.
With the 16 ultra light races you mentioned and doing away with Superteams and with folks seemingly wanted to commit to just one day or the other. Would it be beneficial and possible to race 8 of the ultra light/mini races in the morning , have a 4 or 5 hr endurance , then race the remaining 8 ultra light/mini races immediately after? Little bikes would now be Saturday , big bikes would be sunday.
I’m hoping there is something better. I personally think this would steer more people away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
I don’t like 2 race idea.... mainly because it’s double cost in tires, fuel but mainly risk. And manufactures will only pay on final day results. As a guy trying to make a buck or 2 I’m not a fan of the idea. Now if we do a regional on sat and national on Sunday like wera I’m in! Double $ :)
Walter, I need to think a bit more on this but perhaps having ULW on both days isn't really the problem. Having BOTH ULW and big bike on both days is the issue, along with limited big bike practice on Saturday. Can we not move the big bike stuff back to Sunday and continue with whatever ULW won't fit on Saturday spill over to Sunday?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
Ehhhh , leave it alone and give it one more year as is... Its all new and folks hate change, but it appears a few are interested in some stuff and maybe a few more will scan the rulebook. lol
or thisQuote:
Originally Posted by John McKenzie
so how close are we to a final, final schedule release?
As has been mentioned they are having a BOD meeting this coming sunday and I suspect this will be a big part of their meeting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Thomas
So im also guessin "not close" lol.
I second Danny's suggestion on Big Bikes on Sunday.
checking in every few days for the endurance schedule. Trying to plan spring break and need to know if im flying from Colorado to New Orleans or if i get to go home.
1st world problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew Palmore
Watch out for THE Satchquatch if snowboarding.
I may be out there the same time.
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
We finalized the schedule yesterday so it should be posted within the next day or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Matthew Palmore
Tick tock, post it up.