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Thanks Tom for putting things into perspective.
The Lone Star Fridays were well run
I’m sure Ignacio & 3:16 will run a safe operation & will probably have to make some adjustments.
Looks like they’ll have fewer riders on track at a time which will relieve congestion.
I’ll ride with 3:16 on Fridays before race weekend.
So Tom....it works just fine right up until it doesnt.
If i recall correctly, youre an EMT, might have got your RN by now or might have chosen another path. Let me ask you a question and ask you to go back to your EMT days. You have a central command? Have to call report have to give a hand-off to a receiving team? Im sure you have. I took thousands as a Trauma nurse. My preparation is based on my knowledge, my experience and a freaking report. Telling me a GSW to the chest is coming in vs. telling me he's coming in w decreased breath sounds on right, hes combative, cool and pale, his Bp 80/p, w two large bore IV's gives me a helluva lot more to plan and prepare, than wait till he gets to your trauma room....despite the outcome.
Hey Brandie, I'll get a hold of you after I check it out
Hey All - just reading through the thread now so it seems if we just did the LSTD format it would be better received.
Lonestar did
Street Group
Novice
Expert
We could expand that to 4 groups
Beginner
Intermediate
Novice
Expert
I think that would work better from the sound of it correct?
But then ... it will be Big Bike versus Little Bike .. and so on and so forth
I do know this, I trust an expert on a 300cc to get around novices on 300ccs more than I trust him to get around 600s and 1000s and vice versa
There will never be a completely perfect format but with less people on track and longer sessions it evens things out nicely
We run this format essentially at our camps, we have JC Camacho training riders like Ross Brady on the same track running very fast paces among Intermediates being coached. Less people on track makes more of a difference than y'all realize. And we are actually running even less for Friday Trackdays.
Lastly, this is not "Racer Practice" it's a 3:16 Trackday and y'all are invited to come ride with us, see how we operate, how the day flows
People who register for our events know about our Golden Rules and our passing policy
It's true, we did have some race guests we allowed to ride with us FREE OF CHARGE who did not know our passing rules and got "talked to" however things were resolved.
At a 3:16 Trackway we allow passing anywhere and in any group but request it to be as far as possible from the rider you are passing. Treat others as you would like to be treated. And there is NOTHING to prove.
It's that simple
If anyone wants to get in touch with me and ask questions with a faster response please email me at iloveriding@316trackdays.com
Brandie so this would mean regardless of bike size just split by lap times ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandie Cox
Ignacio with all due respect this is the problem. I haven't expressed concern here but have had chats with others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignacio Pedregon
It is your business and free to do as your model fits best for you and I will rrspect that always and never be critical as if I don't like it I simply won't attend.
However no matter what you call it, these are indeed racer practice when held the day before a race. There are many more of us that use friday as our practice time. Most of us don"t have memberships to ride when we want during member days and work schedules don't allow for consistent track days otherwise.
On Fridays many of us go out with people we anticipate to be racy with regardless if front pack or rear. I have "practice" riders that trust me and I them to push eachother. make close passes and otherwise learn from eachother to be racy. Mind you racing the actual race it is everyone for themselves. It is how we learn the track characteristics, what the bike is doing, how we feel etc.
Treating everyone as a trackday rider takes some of that away. It is a different mindset.
My other concern is your comment about smaller groups and capping the groups...cool but what about those of us that often can't commit until the last minute sometimes. I have a very unique job that is often variable depending on what is going on in the world. So if a group fills up are you saying I can"t ride friday because I can't commit a month out?
I respect you and your business model but ask is your standard the best match for fridays before a race weekend? Not sure myself but maybe it is.
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Question 1 - "Close Passes" are relevant to the person being passed, in our Advanced Big Bike group the minimum lap time for the group is 1:53 seconds, it is my belief that anyone capable of this minimum lap time will have enough experience to handle closer passes but we ask (as is asked on practice days) to save the race for tomorrow, and pass courteously, why take chances like that and chance wadding up your ride before a race weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Snyder
why take risks?
I believe with the faster lap times, and less people, it will flow very smoothly
2. Limited spots, yes, what happens when an event is over sold is exactly what everyone is scared of, less people on track means less accidents, if you want quality time on track, less accidents, less crowded, you can't have it both ways. We need to limit sign ups and those willing to invest in uncrowded track time will learn the value and either use our product or not. We are going to offer a "membership" that gives you ability to cancel that is in the works now.
CMRA Friday Practice is gone guys, it was no longer affordable and sustainable for the club. It could have been no practice Fridays but someone had to take the risk to make them still happen.
Me and my wife took the risk, I certainly hope it is appreciated and well received, we will try our best.
You have a chance to come and try a very well run track day in an uncrowded format. It's the best we can do right now, offer you a place to ride, cheaper than before, with less people, until you come and try it everything else is an assumption.
If you have never ridden a 3:16 event you really are making assumptions
Because thats what we doQuote:
Originally Posted by Ignacio Pedregon
Wjy would I buy a membership? If I can attend likely already sold out by time I commit anyway. Not sure anyone ever complained about number of riders on a friday but maybe Im wrong.Quote:
2. Limited spots, yes, what happens when an event is over sold is exactly what everyone is scared of, less people on track means less accidents, if you want quality time on track, less accidents, less crowded, you can't have it both ways. We need to limit sign ups and those willing to invest in uncrowded track time will learn the value and either use our product or not. We are going to offer a "membership" that gives you ability to cancel that is in
Honestly If I can't get friday practice it is not worth the time and money to travel, hotel and all other expenses for one or two races. Probably based on your response I'll be done racing honestly.
Wish you the best luck with the endeavor
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I really like the opportunity that 3:16 and CMRA are giving riders to get more people interested in racing. I remember every rider meeting Walter telling us to tell friends, to bring them with us so they can experience riding with racers and hopefully they can become one.
I have several friends that do trackdays every chance there is one available, but don’t feel like they can ride with racers on a Friday race weekend due to not having a mentor or control rider checking up on them or giving them guidance, but now with this new format I’m sure they will make the trip to try it out and then hopefully get them interested in racing. We need to grow the sport and I believe this is a great chance of achieving this.
I was checking the race monitor app for Houston and Cresson and a great percentage of riders that race Saturday or Sunday did not even make the Friday practice. Not even the half day.! No wonder The club was not making it.
So for all of those racers that don’t go on Friday, nothing will change for you. Lol
For all the expert racers, I’m sure there will be very few inexperienced riders in your class, knowing how 3:16 runs their trackdays. Always thinking about safety as the most important thing on track.
Also knowing That there will be 2 organizations looking after us, you can’t ask for better way of handling a Friday practice/trackday.
My two cents will be that CMRA might consider renting out the transponders to street riders, and help out to monitor the first Friday practice of 2022 to see how the group is going? Also to gather data and seek ways of making it better?
Lets welcome this new format and support our Club..!!!
Looking forward to 2022.! Happy holidays y’all
I love ya Derek and you know that, but first, I'm still a firefighter and paramedic as well as back on the Rn path (covid speedbump ya know).Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Thomas
Second, I have no idea what you're trying to get across in your analogy here lol
I think 99.9% of you are getting lost in the sauce here. The 0.1% of the rest are uneducated and inexperienced so you're skeptical of change as well as influenced by rumor and innuendo from people you think might know something (but actually don't). Then there's the unknown percent floating around in the 99.9% (unknown because nobody ever admits it) that are discount dave disciples and ride with him for free in exchange for being "loud" on the internet. Those folks are pretty obvious to me though ;)
Sounds like Ignacio has things in hand.
This forum really has gone to ****. For people I didn't know I could decide when I met them at the track whether they were a twat or not. This is a great tool on who to avoid....
New for 2022, there is a Friday trackday at all MSRH rounds. Be thankful.
Happy Holidays, you ungrateful tossers
Best post I've seen lol thanks I needed a chuckleQuote:
Originally Posted by dean webster
wow, this is social media.
Ignacio is a racer, and is extending his assistance to the CMRA at great personal financial risk in order for the CMRA to continue to have track time on Fridays prior to race weekends. He is not desperate for track days as some have stated, he just has a passion to promote the sport, and loves the CMRA's passion to promote the sport.
Fridays before CMRA weekends have always been a wonderful privilege for CMRA Members, and financial struggle for the CMRA directors. The CMRA has experimented with many formats on Fridays as long as I've been a part of them. None of the changes ever made EVERYONE happy. They have, however, always provided exactly what a proficient racers needs to race on any given weekend.
Ignacio, being a racer, has and will continue to make track time the best possible experience for both racers, and track day guys. He is smart, flexible, moral, and passionate about the sport we all love. Fridays at CMRA weekends are always for CMRA racers 1st, and sustainability 2nd. However, both are imperative!!
Before attacking next seasons adaptations please give the CMRA, 3:16, and all of those that love and have been deeply involved for numerous years with the sport the benefit of the doubt with how successful next years changes will be.
Come, ride hard, and love the wonderful sport.
Walter, Ignacio, and the entire CMRA are experienced, passionate, and selfless in their pursuit of supporting the sport we all love.
WOW DAVID DAHMS!!
Very well spoken!
THANK YOU!!
All,
I want to take a moment to Introduce Joseph LanFrankie (Joe) he is our head of Track Operations and manages the events at the track I only get up and do a ridres meeting, then ride, and kiss babies and shake hands. Joe keeps the operations running. He is a dedicated resource for this purpose and has my 100% full trust. He will also be going through the thread and providing better responses to all comments. This is just another facet of 3:16 Trackdays we believe in operational excellence and continual improvement. Joe will likely be posting shortly.
I just want to take a second to say.....��!
Hi everyone,
After learning that Friday practices might have disappeared all together and talking to a leadership person at 3:16, this is all going to go well and be fine.
Ignacio has now made it clear that he is going to ensure proper mitigation and separation of groups and thank you Ignacio for this. I really appreciate you coming on to explain.
I feel sorry for Ignacio now because he was not introduced to us from a business perspective. The membership were not told Fridays were going away. Poor Ignacio had to tell us. Exit light, enter night lol (yes that is a Metallica reference).
Marco's post is spot on. Now that I know this will be a well oiled machine, Marco brings up a very important business model point that we all have to encourage. The more riders (when properly mitigated) the better. That is good for our sport, for moto sales (which is why our sport exists), and for us.
Also from a business point, the membership idea is a good option because it is risky for a business to assume this practice day without a known commitment from membership. We will not have anyone want to help us in the future if we do not participate and frankly spend our hard earned money. The cycle of issue with the financials of the Fridays will continue on and on. We have the power to stop this and let's do it! We have to show some sort of commitment and I encourage everyone to think about that, otherwise no wise business person would ever want to "take us on."
In summary, I am now convinced we will all get the SAFE practice time we want and I encourage the others that were skeptical to be open to the idea of coming and riding Fridays. Let's give this a chance so we can continue to actually ride on Fridays and let's try have an open mind and heart. I do not say any of this lightly and sadly no one has paid me ;) I just believe in fair discussion and accomplishing tasks and I feel this has been done. Thank you guys. Merry Christmas, Brandie
Mr. Pedregon,
Thank you for taking the time to update us, as you may have read my previous post on this thread.
In other news, to the two people that sent me DM's questioning why I am afraid of change?.
You two have it all wrong. never been afraid of change, that's why I am where I am. Not knowing much about the changes was my biggest concern, don't mistake that as being afraid. Adapting to what is coming is not the issue, and that's why I requested more information or updates to adapt to changes. And this is exactly what this forum is for, for all us to communicate and inter act.
To the one person that took my post as an insult to Mr. Pedregon. Please know that I have never met, seen or spoken to him, that I know of, so therefore I would never insult a person I never met. Nor have I have met either one of you, with that said, this is were it ends from my side.
Again thank you for the updates
I agree 100% Dave! "Ignacio, being a racer, has and will continue to make track time the best possible experience for both racers, and track day guys. He is smart, flexible, moral, and passionate about the sport we all love."Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Dominguez
I have wanted share my feelings on this topic, but have held back to keep peace. When I see people assuming the future, they become part of the problem and not part of the solution. (In my mind) Ignacio, no doubt is someone who has more integrity than 10 average men in todays world.
THE MAIN POINT:
The biggest issue with bringing up problems BEFORE there is an ACTUAL problem to the forums, social media, ect. Is that it effects the novice racer, or guys who are newbies or even experts who are not up to speed. As a novice racer myself, back in July & August 2021 with the whole "MSRC repave" situation it made myself re-think... should I even attend the event? When the truth, after attending the event (even in July before 3rd repave) the actual track surface was an improvement. No matter what aspect of the surface, it was better than the prior 2 years.
I wanted to bring it up at the MSRC round in the morning riders meeting, but Walter is so unapproachable (LOL). I am NOT fair weather rider either, or in my mind. As I attended round #1 at MSRH in 2021 endurance raced on Saturday and even sprint raced my GSXR1000 Sunday morning during Superbike A race with no rain tires (on slicks) when ambient temperature was 38 degrees & raining and I even completed the race. So, publicly it does effect rethink attended the event and registration because of all the negative post online about the track conditions.
When in reality, that is Walter's job and why he makes the final decisions for safety for everyone.
Hey All,
I was talking to JC yesterday and text and he asked me a question.
Advanced Groups - I am approving every registration, I look at the rider experience and whether they are licensed or not.
Example: Yesterday I had a non-licensed person sign up, he is not CMRA Licensed, he moved to Texas from elsewhere and was previously licensed WERA, AFM with 20 years track/racing experience.
So I approved him
I am viewing every sign up personally , we take this opportunity very seriously
Tom,Quote:
Originally Posted by Tom Anderson
A few more classes and a few more courses and maybe you'll be able to connect the two. ;)
There is no "sauce"...... its simple.... you know it, I know it, race practice and trackday rides have no business on the track together. If you want it simplified further heres some simple data anyone can look up: ULW times at MSRH(look at 500sb/ss) vs. what the cut-off for the prospective "advanced" group in 3:16 is in comparison. The fact that the chosen vendor couldn't fill the same void being left by the CMRA's decision isn't necessarily the vendor's fault, but he certainly didn't do himself any favors by not answering what seemed to be some simple questions early in this discussion thread. If he didn't suspect racers would want some form of the same format, then he just misjudged the target audience....at least I would think the race practice group would be his target audience, but its clearly not his focus.
As far as being a disciple, I follow God and common sense and I can be loud but usually for my own objectives and goals. Don't be scared!
Will the CMRA license school be offered on 3-16 Friday's and will corner working for Friday count to prov-nov credit?
There will be a License School on the 3:16 Fridays.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kade Babin
Marshaling on 3:16 Fridays will not count for Prov-Nov credit. Marshaling on CMRA Fridays (HMRC and ECR) will still count.
Good afternoon,
Are the Jr Motard events and practice going to be available and if so how should I signed them up and which practice group do I signed them up under, obviously not on the big bikes one.
Good point. Hopefully they will do what LSTD did and let them ride at lunch for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by MOISES RIVERA
Moises contact me at iloveriding@316trackdays.com and we can discuss what we can do
again? lol, we spoke about it already sir, like a week or so ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ignacio Pedregon