Ditto Mitch. I'm slow, I ride old equipment that is not subject to mfg'ers contingency, and I stand to (at best) maybe get $100/yr on tire certificates (though I am at a grand total of $0 so far for my career).
Dave
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Ditto Mitch. I'm slow, I ride old equipment that is not subject to mfg'ers contingency, and I stand to (at best) maybe get $100/yr on tire certificates (though I am at a grand total of $0 so far for my career).
Dave
Ditto Mitch. I'm slow, I ride old equipment that is not subject to mfg'ers contingency, and I stand to (at best) maybe get $100/yr on tire certificates (though I am at a grand total of $0 so far for my career).
Dave
I think there are three classes of riders.
1) Serious Road Racers - This doesn't necessarily mean the "fastest" guys, but guys that like to mix it up with the best racers out there for contingency, competition, and fun.
2) Tweeners - They fall into the "serious" side whenever they have a good weekend and fall into the "hobbyist" whenever they have a bad one. They like to race, and are more than likely enticed to race by the aspect of possible $$$, competition, and fun.
3) Hobbyists - These are folks that have no dilusions of fame or fortune. These riders are happy to make it through a weekend without injuries as they are to be racing for 2, 5, or 10th place.
You have to look at what is in the club, BEFORE you look at what serves them best. On any given weekend your true representation is 60/40 Serious/Hobbyists (This also represents the tweeners given direction swing). With this said, obviously having a National or Money paying endurance races down here IS NOT the most important thing for the racers, BUT it is a serious consideration nonetheless.
With that said, I sincerely hope the BOD will remember that being on an island (independent organization), will force a 1/3 or our riders to travel outside our region to get any national exposure within racing. This $$$ to do so may prevent some from doing so in the first place.
I believe the CMRA has an obligation to meet ALL of the riders needs. With that said, I do believe there is an obligation to serve the better good of the community in the first place. This includes helping a national sanctioning body succeed in a complimentary manner that it expects the national sanctioning body to do so for the CMRA. It can be done, BUT both parties have to see this. I am not sure CCS or WERA are ready to work in that capacity either. There are no promises of success for anyone, but if we do not do something that helps promote consistency on a national basis so that this sport can grow as a whole, then we (the CMRA) is as much as a problem as the rest of the groups out there that think "our way or no way".
I have personally talked to several parties on this level within the industry. I think the CMRA represents a "Gold Nugget" to a potentional sanctioning body. With over 5,000 expected entries this year (not including endurance series), a National Sanctioning body should be trying to aggressively meet the CMRA's need as much as CMRA should be trying to fit into a national sanctioning body's requirements. Watch out though, add a little attitude and ego, and it all turns into a really nice s*it stew...
Marcus
I think there are three classes of riders.
1) Serious Road Racers - This doesn't necessarily mean the "fastest" guys, but guys that like to mix it up with the best racers out there for contingency, competition, and fun.
2) Tweeners - They fall into the "serious" side whenever they have a good weekend and fall into the "hobbyist" whenever they have a bad one. They like to race, and are more than likely enticed to race by the aspect of possible $$$, competition, and fun.
3) Hobbyists - These are folks that have no dilusions of fame or fortune. These riders are happy to make it through a weekend without injuries as they are to be racing for 2, 5, or 10th place.
You have to look at what is in the club, BEFORE you look at what serves them best. On any given weekend your true representation is 60/40 Serious/Hobbyists (This also represents the tweeners given direction swing). With this said, obviously having a National or Money paying endurance races down here IS NOT the most important thing for the racers, BUT it is a serious consideration nonetheless.
With that said, I sincerely hope the BOD will remember that being on an island (independent organization), will force a 1/3 or our riders to travel outside our region to get any national exposure within racing. This $$$ to do so may prevent some from doing so in the first place.
I believe the CMRA has an obligation to meet ALL of the riders needs. With that said, I do believe there is an obligation to serve the better good of the community in the first place. This includes helping a national sanctioning body succeed in a complimentary manner that it expects the national sanctioning body to do so for the CMRA. It can be done, BUT both parties have to see this. I am not sure CCS or WERA are ready to work in that capacity either. There are no promises of success for anyone, but if we do not do something that helps promote consistency on a national basis so that this sport can grow as a whole, then we (the CMRA) is as much as a problem as the rest of the groups out there that think "our way or no way".
I have personally talked to several parties on this level within the industry. I think the CMRA represents a "Gold Nugget" to a potentional sanctioning body. With over 5,000 expected entries this year (not including endurance series), a National Sanctioning body should be trying to aggressively meet the CMRA's need as much as CMRA should be trying to fit into a national sanctioning body's requirements. Watch out though, add a little attitude and ego, and it all turns into a really nice s*it stew...
Marcus
These all are my points.
First, I here alot of people say they want the
year end Daytona or Road A. but I believe less then 5% of the club attends either function.
On those grounds allone it is not worth giving away half of 90+% of our memberships money for a
benifit so few use.
Second, if they (our affiliate) cannot get us
dramaticly better insurance rates,
contengencies, etc. then we can do ourselves then whats the point? I didn't say just better, I said
DRAMATICLY better. Does paying $25K+ a year for
a $20-25K reduction in costs sound right? Why not
just keep the money at home and do it ourself?
Third, make no mistake. An independant club can do fine especially if it is large enough. Look at
WSMC or the AFM. WSMC has huge cash purses and
even has Toyota giving a truck for the championship in one of their classes. Thats
some pretty heavy stuff for a stand alone club.
Fourth, this is a club. (that was a period folks)
We (the CMRA) are here to provide motorcycle roadracing to all comers in the south central
region of the United States. Have we had some bad
*** talent come from our ranks? Yes. Do we have
some bad *** talent in our ranks? Yes. Are our
ranks made up by mostly bad *** talent? No. We
need to do whats right for everyone. Yes it may be better percieved by the powers that be when one of our riders with talent come from a nationaly affiliated organazation but that is very few and far between and doesn't do anything
for the masses.
I apreciate no one flaming this thread yet. I don't have the answers. I don't know all the facts. But I am interested in learning them.
This club is made up from our membership.
We have a representative government (the BOD)
who we elect to do whats in our best interest
and I truely believe that is what they do.
That is the reason I started this thread.
To tranfer this discusion that was in another thread to one of it's own becasue it is very
important and serious as Marcus pointed out.
I personaly believe if we can't get dramaticly better service from CCS/WERA then what we can
do on our own then whats the point?
BTW: I am not on the BOD, have any dealings with
the BOD or have any asperations to the BOD.
I am asking these questions out of my own curiosity.
These all are my points.
First, I here alot of people say they want the
year end Daytona or Road A. but I believe less then 5% of the club attends either function.
On those grounds allone it is not worth giving away half of 90+% of our memberships money for a
benifit so few use.
Second, if they (our affiliate) cannot get us
dramaticly better insurance rates,
contengencies, etc. then we can do ourselves then whats the point? I didn't say just better, I said
DRAMATICLY better. Does paying $25K+ a year for
a $20-25K reduction in costs sound right? Why not
just keep the money at home and do it ourself?
Third, make no mistake. An independant club can do fine especially if it is large enough. Look at
WSMC or the AFM. WSMC has huge cash purses and
even has Toyota giving a truck for the championship in one of their classes. Thats
some pretty heavy stuff for a stand alone club.
Fourth, this is a club. (that was a period folks)
We (the CMRA) are here to provide motorcycle roadracing to all comers in the south central
region of the United States. Have we had some bad
*** talent come from our ranks? Yes. Do we have
some bad *** talent in our ranks? Yes. Are our
ranks made up by mostly bad *** talent? No. We
need to do whats right for everyone. Yes it may be better percieved by the powers that be when one of our riders with talent come from a nationaly affiliated organazation but that is very few and far between and doesn't do anything
for the masses.
I apreciate no one flaming this thread yet. I don't have the answers. I don't know all the facts. But I am interested in learning them.
This club is made up from our membership.
We have a representative government (the BOD)
who we elect to do whats in our best interest
and I truely believe that is what they do.
That is the reason I started this thread.
To tranfer this discusion that was in another thread to one of it's own becasue it is very
important and serious as Marcus pointed out.
I personaly believe if we can't get dramaticly better service from CCS/WERA then what we can
do on our own then whats the point?
BTW: I am not on the BOD, have any dealings with
the BOD or have any asperations to the BOD.
I am asking these questions out of my own curiosity.
Damnt' Marcus!
Your not supposed to post a reply while I'm typing mine!
It takes me a while to get my thoughts straight.
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Damnt' Marcus!
Your not supposed to post a reply while I'm typing mine!
It takes me a while to get my thoughts straight.
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As miserable as the WERA racer attendance appeared to be, WE HAD ALMOST 40 CMRA (CORRECTION: This should have originally read "WERA South Central" as only about 60% had CMRA licenses) racers at Road Atlanta last year. We had over 30 the year before.
Daytona is Daytona. It is the most unfair track in the country, but one EVERYONE should race it (Daytona) if they get a chance.
Marcus
As miserable as the WERA racer attendance appeared to be, WE HAD ALMOST 40 CMRA (CORRECTION: This should have originally read "WERA South Central" as only about 60% had CMRA licenses) racers at Road Atlanta last year. We had over 30 the year before.
Daytona is Daytona. It is the most unfair track in the country, but one EVERYONE should race it (Daytona) if they get a chance.
Marcus