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Originally Posted By: Jon Broom

its going to be the same situation as endurance though, but with less lapping and traffic, so i don't see the difference there... if anything i think it presents safer passing/lapping than the endurance race.

It's not really the same. With endurance races you know the situation is that you'll be out there getting buzzed by faster bikes. Adding ESS to F5/F7 would take away the opportunity for those riders to not get buzzed by so many faster bike.

Also when you put faster bikes with slower bikes, you effectively guarantee that the slower bikes will get a shorter race because they will be lapped. Most of the F7 bikes are already getting lapped, and when you start seeing 20 or more second lap time differences (ESS times compared to F7), you start making it very possible to lap some of F7 bikes twice in one race. The faster laptimes from ESS would also mean that some of the F5 riders would get lapped.

Originally Posted By: Jon Broom

its going to be the same situation as endurance though, but with less lapping and traffic, so i don't see the difference there... if anything i think it presents safer passing/lapping than the endurance race.

It's not really the same. With endurance races you know the situation is that you'll be out there getting buzzed by faster bikes. Adding ESS to F5/F7 would take away the opportunity for those riders to not get buzzed by so many faster bike.

Also when you put faster bikes with slower bikes, you effectively guarantee that the slower bikes will get a shorter race because they will be lapped. Most of the F7 bikes are already getting lapped, and when you start seeing 20 or more second lap time differences (ESS times compared to F7), you start making it very possible to lap some of F7 bikes twice in one race. The faster laptimes from ESS would also mean that some of the F5 riders would get lapped.

yeah... good point

yeah... good point

I was joking. There is no Vintage racing.

I was joking. There is no Vintage racing.

When I grow up I wanna ride a big bike!! HA! LOL

When I grow up I wanna ride a big bike!! HA! LOL

I'd like to bring up this "old" thread because I heard some talk this weekend regarding this issue. I'd love to run ESS on Saturday but not with the F5/F7 bikes. Many of us have had to watch our dollars this year and for that reason alone, this would bring more racers into this class which would bring more $$ to the CMRA.

Example of someone who only has a bike for these two classes:
F4 (Sat.) $40 fees plus $10 cornerworking = $50 for the one race
ESS (Sun.) $70 fees plus $10 cornerworking = $80 for the one race
Total = $130 per weekend. I've only raced one F4 sprint race this year mostly because the cost/benefit is too much.
Another possible scenario:
Saturday - ESS $40 fee and F4 $30 fee plus $10 cornerworking = $80 in total fees. Personally, I would be racing in each of these classes at every race if this was the case. It would be worth the cost.

Please, don't bring the "racing isn't cheap" or "you knew what you were getting into" comments. I'm simply saying that the CMRA would have had (up to this past weekend) $400 from me alone in sprint fees vs. the $50 it currently has and I'd bet that I wouldn't be the only one that'd start racing ESS on Saturdays...especially with all of the potential "Rent My Ninja" racers.

Just my $.02

I'd like to bring up this "old" thread because I heard some talk this weekend regarding this issue. I'd love to run ESS on Saturday but not with the F5/F7 bikes. Many of us have had to watch our dollars this year and for that reason alone, this would bring more racers into this class which would bring more $$ to the CMRA.

Example of someone who only has a bike for these two classes:
F4 (Sat.) $40 fees plus $10 cornerworking = $50 for the one race
ESS (Sun.) $70 fees plus $10 cornerworking = $80 for the one race
Total = $130 per weekend. I've only raced one F4 sprint race this year mostly because the cost/benefit is too much.
Another possible scenario:
Saturday - ESS $40 fee and F4 $30 fee plus $10 cornerworking = $80 in total fees. Personally, I would be racing in each of these classes at every race if this was the case. It would be worth the cost.

Please, don't bring the "racing isn't cheap" or "you knew what you were getting into" comments. I'm simply saying that the CMRA would have had (up to this past weekend) $400 from me alone in sprint fees vs. the $50 it currently has and I'd bet that I wouldn't be the only one that'd start racing ESS on Saturdays...especially with all of the potential "Rent My Ninja" racers.

Just my $.02