Kawasaki is claiming 39 HP! That's 11 more than last years.
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Kawasaki is claiming 39 HP! That's 11 more than last years.
I will hush after this one clarification: my complaint has nothing to do with competitiveness, that would be cowardly. It has to do with safety and wanting to see less old men in the series and more kids.
Also has to do with money Chris. It's about $1500 for the year to race a 250 in endurance. Show me how to do that on a big bike.
There were never less old men than kids in the mini series.
The problem now is there are even less kids than before.
Split the classes to Expert and Novice. Then some kids will get trophies.
Originally Posted By: Keith Hertell 11
Split the classes to Expert and Novice. Then some kids will get trophies.
I like that idea
Originally Posted By: Keith Hertell 11There were never less old men than kids in the mini series.
The problem now is there are even less kids than before.
Split the classes to Expert and Novice. Then some kids will get trophies.
Would a Senior/Junior class split be more effective? Just asking
Lets use the words Racing Adult(16+) and Racing minor(15-)
I would be opposed to the New 300 in the F4 or ESS simply because of the same reasons I was opposed to the RS chassis bikes being allowed into the ESS class. As Eric mentioned, horsepower claims from Kawasaki are 39. In stock form, that beats the modified horsepower claims of some of the 250's being at 32-35. Taking into consideration that the 300 will shed some pounds with race trim only(lights, brackets, pegs, stock skins, etc.), does the power to weight ratio thereafter concern anyone for the equality idea in the ESS class? In F4, it is simply outside of the rules. A restructuring of the class rules would need to be in order to allow the bike, and I really don't think the idea of that would be advantageous to anyone from a cost standpoint.
As far as the classes being a Novice/Expert split, I am not sure that would increase entries, but it would be interesting to test it in a trial race. Maybe at round one next season, run the schedule as it was this year, but add in one race that would have no adverse effect on the season points, run the classes at the same time but score them seperately.
John...that's why we call it endurance racing and another reason I don't think the 250's belong in the same class. Was your motor built to "keep-up" with 250's? Did crash occur because of pushing too hard? I've ridden both and a 125 framed cfr150 and had a blast on all three...went very fast on all three, but you don't have to do much to the 250 to make it competitive and endure BUT little kids cannot ride them their too big. Some parents don't want their kids on the same track with them...their too big! Older guys ride them because THEIR too big for smaller bikes, so this is an easy avenue for them(us).
You talk about all these "flashes" of brilliance, but as the record stands currently there have been 18 podium slots, and 4 of those occupied by 85's, two at the same track. By my account, there is only one in the top ten currently. I would argue it's not as a competitive format.
Corder, I'm certainly no coward but I do think they(250's) have an competitive advantage, especially in endurance racing and thats exactly why I think you see the results we have currently. And, like you, I think we have pushed a certain age group away from racing with us and that's very, very sad to see.
That bike and our attitude toward it's place in racing, in my opinion, has driven some away from racing and this club. In the same respect, it has brought some as well and I think that's fantastic.
I like the idea of the novice/expert split perhaps, and I'm sure there are some other ideas out there. I currently race with gentlemen that have boys learning to ride, but I can assure you mine won't ride a formula 4 bike of past with our current rules.
The 300 still looks like a great racing format, but where. Someone thread also had pics of a 350 KTM that looks outta this world!
Derek
the advantage the 250s have is that they are easy... the reason they are winning is that the faster riders are on them... if you can ride it, the RS bike is faster... if you can't ride it, the 250 will be faster... that has little to do with any flashes... it is just the long and the short of it...
our Mori is a pig compared to an RS bike... probably 30lbs heavier and way more frontal area... our motor popped because of a $5 dollar part... we crashed because we were racing... it really is that simple...