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One item that I think consistently get's misinterpreted is "serious" racer. I will mention Chris Newhouse's name as I watch him a lot.
Man, there is a guy that is serious. At the GNF, he rode several races back to back. He had Bob and Johnny warming up one bike while he was coming off the track. I don't think you have to be Haner to be a "serious" racer, and I don't think you have to ride a 600 fire breather either. I was simply commenting on the approach.
Marcus
One item that I think consistently get's misinterpreted is "serious" racer. I will mention Chris Newhouse's name as I watch him a lot.
Man, there is a guy that is serious. At the GNF, he rode several races back to back. He had Bob and Johnny warming up one bike while he was coming off the track. I don't think you have to be Haner to be a "serious" racer, and I don't think you have to ride a 600 fire breather either. I was simply commenting on the approach.
Marcus
Now I am confused blame/crdit has to do with your point of view as you state it is "blame" than you need to look inward as the BOD decided not to risk the $30k exposure for the race as you said FUSA told you what was the option was to have FUSA race in this region. It is a big event and has big risks and could bankrupt the club so I say it is CREDIT that BOD did not decide to do a FUSA race in the region. To compare the WERA national races to what is spent to do a FUSA race is not on the same level same as comparing a FUSA race to a AMA roadrace. Purses, officials and promoion behind these races grows as they get bigger. The FUSA races are at tracks that routinely draw 800-2000 sprint entries (Did I hear that ~600 entries is a record for CMRA?) CMRA has around $25k income from sprints(for that 600 entries) add endurance income of ~10K and it becomes doable but it is huge risk as there are weekends that have income of under $20k that barely(or don't quite)pay all the bills for the weekend. FUSA has not returned to tracks they did not have control over or could not cover the cost of races, (Pocono, Willow, Portland to name a few) but added races in Great Plains (MAM) that has the sprint rider base to justify expenditure. I also think it is a credit of the BOD not to hold practice days anymore on Fridays as that was huge risk that turned many otherwise profitable weeknds into money loses.Quote:Originally posted by Brooks Gremmels:
What prompted my posting to this thread however, has nothing directly to do with my original disclaimer, above. I am confused by the statement, "The FUSA series coming/not coming to South Central region was a choice not made by FUSA so direct blame/ credit where it is due". OK, I am ready to "direct blame", to whom should it be directed? I have met with three different parties in the CCS office (Ft. Worth) to ask that a national race be scheduled in our region, at one of our tracks. Why is the other sanctioning organization able to schedule and promote several national events in a year in this region and we can't get a single one through CCS/FUSA? I thought we were coming close year before last when Bill Syfan visited TWS for the purpose of evaluating that facility for a national event. Last year inquiries were made about Hallett. Guess what? We were told that a national event could be scheduled at Hallett IF the CMRA would guarantee one half (50%) of the budget required to hold the races. The budget? Sixty-Thousand Dollars ($60,000). In the parlance of the industry that is what is called a "co-pro" (co-promoted) deal.
How many of you would like to see the CMRA commit to an obligation of $30,000 to have the honor of "hosting" a national event? Sure, it "might" have worked out OK from a financial standpoint. But the CMRA is a roadracing club, not a financial juggernaught that is in the business of speculating on promotions.
I don't know if this is what is referred to above as being "a choice not made by FUSA". If it is not, again I would ask where to assign the "blame/credit".
Brooks
Now I am confused blame/crdit has to do with your point of view as you state it is "blame" than you need to look inward as the BOD decided not to risk the $30k exposure for the race as you said FUSA told you what was the option was to have FUSA race in this region. It is a big event and has big risks and could bankrupt the club so I say it is CREDIT that BOD did not decide to do a FUSA race in the region. To compare the WERA national races to what is spent to do a FUSA race is not on the same level same as comparing a FUSA race to a AMA roadrace. Purses, officials and promoion behind these races grows as they get bigger. The FUSA races are at tracks that routinely draw 800-2000 sprint entries (Did I hear that ~600 entries is a record for CMRA?) CMRA has around $25k income from sprints(for that 600 entries) add endurance income of ~10K and it becomes doable but it is huge risk as there are weekends that have income of under $20k that barely(or don't quite)pay all the bills for the weekend. FUSA has not returned to tracks they did not have control over or could not cover the cost of races, (Pocono, Willow, Portland to name a few) but added races in Great Plains (MAM) that has the sprint rider base to justify expenditure. I also think it is a credit of the BOD not to hold practice days anymore on Fridays as that was huge risk that turned many otherwise profitable weeknds into money loses.Quote:Originally posted by Brooks Gremmels:
What prompted my posting to this thread however, has nothing directly to do with my original disclaimer, above. I am confused by the statement, "The FUSA series coming/not coming to South Central region was a choice not made by FUSA so direct blame/ credit where it is due". OK, I am ready to "direct blame", to whom should it be directed? I have met with three different parties in the CCS office (Ft. Worth) to ask that a national race be scheduled in our region, at one of our tracks. Why is the other sanctioning organization able to schedule and promote several national events in a year in this region and we can't get a single one through CCS/FUSA? I thought we were coming close year before last when Bill Syfan visited TWS for the purpose of evaluating that facility for a national event. Last year inquiries were made about Hallett. Guess what? We were told that a national event could be scheduled at Hallett IF the CMRA would guarantee one half (50%) of the budget required to hold the races. The budget? Sixty-Thousand Dollars ($60,000). In the parlance of the industry that is what is called a "co-pro" (co-promoted) deal.
How many of you would like to see the CMRA commit to an obligation of $30,000 to have the honor of "hosting" a national event? Sure, it "might" have worked out OK from a financial standpoint. But the CMRA is a roadracing club, not a financial juggernaught that is in the business of speculating on promotions.
I don't know if this is what is referred to above as being "a choice not made by FUSA". If it is not, again I would ask where to assign the "blame/credit".
Brooks
Eric almost answered my question, but not quite.
Are ALL Nationa CCS or F-USA events Co-promoted? Is there always someone else footing half the bill. Is it required for a track promoter, racing association or otherwise to pay for CCS, F-USA?
What about WERA? Do they require money???
David
Eric almost answered my question, but not quite.
Are ALL Nationa CCS or F-USA events Co-promoted? Is there always someone else footing half the bill. Is it required for a track promoter, racing association or otherwise to pay for CCS, F-USA?
What about WERA? Do they require money???
David
I am one of the silent 80%. An avid reader of CMRA and WERA BBS, but rarely a contributor. I am also what Marcus defined as the “Hobbyist” type member. I and those like me do this purely for FUN; for they joy of participation, for the BS in the paddock, to pick-up the odd riding tip from the likes of Mr. McBain that will advance my riding…… and so on. As far as me, and those like me are concerned, the Contingency pay out may as well be a Million dollars for a win for all that it matters, I will NEVER be putting any of it in my wallet. Am I jealous or envious ? – NO, not one bit. (But if ever anyone wants to pay back to 29th place ?…….). Given that contingency may pay back to say 5th, the reality is that there are probably less than 10 riders per class that really compete for the trophies and the money. The other 40 or so riders in the class are just like me, racing because we can or what ever their personal reasons/excuses to their wife maybe. But its us “Hobbyist” riders that help to keep the cost of racing down for the “Serious Road Racers” by our very participation and by paying our entry fees just like them. So is the money important to the sport ? Yes absolutely - Its needed by the teams & individuals to help advance the promising young club racers to national level and perhaps beyond, to buy air-fence and so on. Race Organizations just need to remember that money in not the reason why most of us (the silent 80% that is) do this.
Last year I qualified for the WERA GNF in all classes I competed in. The invitation was a result in itself to me. Did I go ? No (Business commitment). But I had the chance to do so. Do I want to go to Daytona this year ? Yes, absolutely. Will I go ? Well I hope so. Not to win, not for the mention in RRW, but for the satisfaction of knowing that I did it, for the memories and joy of participation. Grateful for the opportunity that a Hobbyist (Lets find another name for this category !) can do these things. Grateful that CMRA has a National Affiliation.
I am one of the silent 80%. An avid reader of CMRA and WERA BBS, but rarely a contributor. I am also what Marcus defined as the “Hobbyist” type member. I and those like me do this purely for FUN; for they joy of participation, for the BS in the paddock, to pick-up the odd riding tip from the likes of Mr. McBain that will advance my riding…… and so on. As far as me, and those like me are concerned, the Contingency pay out may as well be a Million dollars for a win for all that it matters, I will NEVER be putting any of it in my wallet. Am I jealous or envious ? – NO, not one bit. (But if ever anyone wants to pay back to 29th place ?…….). Given that contingency may pay back to say 5th, the reality is that there are probably less than 10 riders per class that really compete for the trophies and the money. The other 40 or so riders in the class are just like me, racing because we can or what ever their personal reasons/excuses to their wife maybe. But its us “Hobbyist” riders that help to keep the cost of racing down for the “Serious Road Racers” by our very participation and by paying our entry fees just like them. So is the money important to the sport ? Yes absolutely - Its needed by the teams & individuals to help advance the promising young club racers to national level and perhaps beyond, to buy air-fence and so on. Race Organizations just need to remember that money in not the reason why most of us (the silent 80% that is) do this.
Last year I qualified for the WERA GNF in all classes I competed in. The invitation was a result in itself to me. Did I go ? No (Business commitment). But I had the chance to do so. Do I want to go to Daytona this year ? Yes, absolutely. Will I go ? Well I hope so. Not to win, not for the mention in RRW, but for the satisfaction of knowing that I did it, for the memories and joy of participation. Grateful for the opportunity that a Hobbyist (Lets find another name for this category !) can do these things. Grateful that CMRA has a National Affiliation.
I don't believe there is a "black and white" answer for this question. If there was, the question would have surely been answered by now.
- If you go independent, you don't know the impact on contingency and programs for several years. Again, the one year (since I have been in the club) we enjoyed legacy status. There is not an example or situation in the last 15 years that illustrates a pro or con.>>
Thank you Marcus. That is what I've been wanting you to say. Not because it makes anyones case or
debunks anyones case. But because it's the truth.
I don't know how it would work, You don't know how it would work. We do know what we have with the CCS and what we had with WERA.
My whole reason for this thread (and it is just a
thread, not a BBS reforendem as you put it) was to get more information and other veiw points and
ideas. For the last year or so this topic has come
up with various people under different themes and
other than the year end race venue and some
arbortrary numbers thrown around it's hard to see
any differences. I wish more people would speak up
but I know they don't for reasons they deem
appropriate.
I am glad to see that the people who do have a
opinion they don't mind expressing also see this
club as I believe it really is. A place that is
and always should be inclusive for all, sprint race lapper to track record setter. There needs
to be a place for all, all should have a say,
and the club should do whats in "it's" best interest. If that includes aligning ourselves
with a national organazation, super. If not, super. But we ( all CMRA members ) should think about it and when they ( our elected BOD ) think the time and or circumstance dictate a change
or status quo I am sure they will have their
ducks in a row and be able to make logical,
rational case.
I don't believe there is a "black and white" answer for this question. If there was, the question would have surely been answered by now.
- If you go independent, you don't know the impact on contingency and programs for several years. Again, the one year (since I have been in the club) we enjoyed legacy status. There is not an example or situation in the last 15 years that illustrates a pro or con.>>
Thank you Marcus. That is what I've been wanting you to say. Not because it makes anyones case or
debunks anyones case. But because it's the truth.
I don't know how it would work, You don't know how it would work. We do know what we have with the CCS and what we had with WERA.
My whole reason for this thread (and it is just a
thread, not a BBS reforendem as you put it) was to get more information and other veiw points and
ideas. For the last year or so this topic has come
up with various people under different themes and
other than the year end race venue and some
arbortrary numbers thrown around it's hard to see
any differences. I wish more people would speak up
but I know they don't for reasons they deem
appropriate.
I am glad to see that the people who do have a
opinion they don't mind expressing also see this
club as I believe it really is. A place that is
and always should be inclusive for all, sprint race lapper to track record setter. There needs
to be a place for all, all should have a say,
and the club should do whats in "it's" best interest. If that includes aligning ourselves
with a national organazation, super. If not, super. But we ( all CMRA members ) should think about it and when they ( our elected BOD ) think the time and or circumstance dictate a change
or status quo I am sure they will have their
ducks in a row and be able to make logical,
rational case.
And why doesn't my postes stay in a nice straight line?
And why doesn't my postes stay in a nice straight line?
And I still haven't recieved a answer to membership number.
200ish as Mr.McBain states or 500ish as
I believe?
And I still haven't recieved a answer to membership number.
200ish as Mr.McBain states or 500ish as
I believe?
Also thanks to all who wanted to poke fun
at my spelling abilities but didn't.
Man I miss the spell check on the BBS 3 times
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Also thanks to all who wanted to poke fun
at my spelling abilities but didn't.
Man I miss the spell check on the BBS 3 times
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Eric, Whos quotes are these? I am getting anoyed.
"CCS did not get tire money for racers, I remember bib bucks from way back."
" maybe not idea of tire, but a higher level than other clubs recieve and more classes; may, may not have recieved as much as current but that is a what if question"
quote:
David
Eric, Whos quotes are these? I am getting anoyed.
"CCS did not get tire money for racers, I remember bib bucks from way back."
" maybe not idea of tire, but a higher level than other clubs recieve and more classes; may, may not have recieved as much as current but that is a what if question"
quote:
David
Just one other thing to keep in mind, if we do go independent again, someone is going to have to do all the work involved in lining up contingency and procuring insurance. A lot of work. So, either the club is going to have to pay someone, or someone is going to have to step up and volunteer.
It's a shame that all the posts on the old board disappeared, we went through this whole debate in excruciating detail 3 years ago.
Just one other thing to keep in mind, if we do go independent again, someone is going to have to do all the work involved in lining up contingency and procuring insurance. A lot of work. So, either the club is going to have to pay someone, or someone is going to have to step up and volunteer.
It's a shame that all the posts on the old board disappeared, we went through this whole debate in excruciating detail 3 years ago.
We have a full time paid secretary now
for just such work.
We have a full time paid secretary now
for just such work.
Hey Emmett,
It ain't that easy. I spent 100 hrs just trying to get the EBC deal setup years ago. Unless you are very well connected, it is more than a one man job.
Marcus
Hey Emmett,
It ain't that easy. I spent 100 hrs just trying to get the EBC deal setup years ago. Unless you are very well connected, it is more than a one man job.
Marcus
Nuttings easy.
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Nuttings easy.
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Emmet, Marcus,
Quit posting on this thread. It is obvious that the questions are going unanswered. I'm not sure why. Maybe because of lack of knowledge, maybe not.
We are (CMRA) what we are. I guess it could be worse.
David
Emmet, Marcus,
Quit posting on this thread. It is obvious that the questions are going unanswered. I'm not sure why. Maybe because of lack of knowledge, maybe not.
We are (CMRA) what we are. I guess it could be worse.
David
The active membership role had somewhere over 500 members on it last year. I have not checked to see what it is up to at this point, this season. The mailing list which includes Colin, the Haydens, some old friends and associates, numbers close to 1,000.
No, all FUSA races are not co-promoted. I don't have the actaul numbers but I am confident that none, or very few are actually promoted on the basis that was proposed to the CMRA.
I appreciate Eric's input but not knowing any better, I question the assertion that FUSA races are held at venues that draw more than ours. Since FUSA holds races at Summit Point, I will try to gather this information on that track.
A well run contingency program does not require more effort that a single competent person can provide. I would rather not get into the details at tis point to support this claim but I can promise you we have done our homework. This is at the crux of the decision. Can the CMRA provide a program as good or better, for less money than is being spent today? The BOD is far along in this analitical process.
I was not as party to the decision made to leave WERA. I am not privy to the amount of research performed to support that decision. Or to the commitments that were made to administer the club absent a sanctioning body. I am now and I take full responsibility for the obligation to carefully answer these questions.
Running this organization is a big job. It is much bigger today than it was just a year ago. The BOD accepted the responsibility of directing the course of the club and overseeing its operations. So far I'd say that it is being run well. Putting together the new professional staff, organizing the operation without any help during the transition period and at the same time, providing a high level of service to the Membership, took more effort, from more dedicated people than you'd believe. Adding a layer of responsibility to administer a contingency program is a decision that requires careful planning. The ingredients that go into making that decision are well understood and they are being gathered. (Hint: "it ain't rocket science", as a person familiar with handling an extensive contingency program said to me).
The end of the season championship races that are afforded by the two national sanctioning bodies are certainly a consideration when the question of independence arises. (Note the PS that I added to my response to Marcus, above). This is an issue that is being discussed on a creative basis.
Brooks
The active membership role had somewhere over 500 members on it last year. I have not checked to see what it is up to at this point, this season. The mailing list which includes Colin, the Haydens, some old friends and associates, numbers close to 1,000.
No, all FUSA races are not co-promoted. I don't have the actaul numbers but I am confident that none, or very few are actually promoted on the basis that was proposed to the CMRA.
I appreciate Eric's input but not knowing any better, I question the assertion that FUSA races are held at venues that draw more than ours. Since FUSA holds races at Summit Point, I will try to gather this information on that track.
A well run contingency program does not require more effort that a single competent person can provide. I would rather not get into the details at tis point to support this claim but I can promise you we have done our homework. This is at the crux of the decision. Can the CMRA provide a program as good or better, for less money than is being spent today? The BOD is far along in this analitical process.
I was not as party to the decision made to leave WERA. I am not privy to the amount of research performed to support that decision. Or to the commitments that were made to administer the club absent a sanctioning body. I am now and I take full responsibility for the obligation to carefully answer these questions.
Running this organization is a big job. It is much bigger today than it was just a year ago. The BOD accepted the responsibility of directing the course of the club and overseeing its operations. So far I'd say that it is being run well. Putting together the new professional staff, organizing the operation without any help during the transition period and at the same time, providing a high level of service to the Membership, took more effort, from more dedicated people than you'd believe. Adding a layer of responsibility to administer a contingency program is a decision that requires careful planning. The ingredients that go into making that decision are well understood and they are being gathered. (Hint: "it ain't rocket science", as a person familiar with handling an extensive contingency program said to me).
The end of the season championship races that are afforded by the two national sanctioning bodies are certainly a consideration when the question of independence arises. (Note the PS that I added to my response to Marcus, above). This is an issue that is being discussed on a creative basis.
Brooks
"CCS did not get tire money for racers, I remember bib bucks from way back."Quote:Originally posted by David Hirsch:
[QB]Eric, Whos quotes are these? I am getting anoyed.
David, that post was mine. I did it because I can remember seeing you bringing bib bucks to Rusty at HouKawasaki five years ago, and mention of them even prior to that. My point was I can recall you specifically supporting the sport prior to the CCS affiliation.
Hope that reduces your annoyance, it is a compliment to you and your commitment.
Mark
"CCS did not get tire money for racers, I remember bib bucks from way back."Quote:Originally posted by David Hirsch:
[QB]Eric, Whos quotes are these? I am getting anoyed.
David, that post was mine. I did it because I can remember seeing you bringing bib bucks to Rusty at HouKawasaki five years ago, and mention of them even prior to that. My point was I can recall you specifically supporting the sport prior to the CCS affiliation.
Hope that reduces your annoyance, it is a compliment to you and your commitment.
Mark
For starters let me apologize for my ignorance on this subject. The only other circuit that I was exposed to was Loudon Road Racing Series, and that was not as a racer, but by helping a friend of mine at a couple of races. I grew up in Okla. and have been riding on the street since I was 14, and the military has had me in Fl, Ca, Wa, and NY. I had never even heard of any of the clubs mentioned in this thread until I moved to Austin and started searching the web for a track day, and that is how I found the CMRA. Based on this and from what I have heard from others, I think we have the BEST club in the country! I made every endurance race last year and 1/3 of the sprints, 2-3 classes per weekend (limited by my 125). This year I entered 7 classes at OHR, the endurance race at TWS (where I unfortunately crashed), and had entered 4 sprints there, and plan to continue this pattern for the season. I have never won any contingency money, and may not ever. Anyways I think that my case represents the bulk of the amateurs.
My question is, on any given race day, other than contingencies and sponsors, what does the CCS or previously WERA affiliation, do for us?
How many people would actually stop racing if there were no contingencies other than consumables (tires, brakes, etc.) and no purses to be won?
Brooks, maybe I’m blind here, but I’ve never seen Shogun advertise anything for sale, so how do you recoup any of the money that you or other sponsors have put up for our Club?
I understand wanting to get exposure for up and coming talent, and I do see how the CMRA has helped to showcase this, but I was under the impression that the CMRA helped do this, not CCS/WERA.
Thanks,
Clayton Werner
#376
For starters let me apologize for my ignorance on this subject. The only other circuit that I was exposed to was Loudon Road Racing Series, and that was not as a racer, but by helping a friend of mine at a couple of races. I grew up in Okla. and have been riding on the street since I was 14, and the military has had me in Fl, Ca, Wa, and NY. I had never even heard of any of the clubs mentioned in this thread until I moved to Austin and started searching the web for a track day, and that is how I found the CMRA. Based on this and from what I have heard from others, I think we have the BEST club in the country! I made every endurance race last year and 1/3 of the sprints, 2-3 classes per weekend (limited by my 125). This year I entered 7 classes at OHR, the endurance race at TWS (where I unfortunately crashed), and had entered 4 sprints there, and plan to continue this pattern for the season. I have never won any contingency money, and may not ever. Anyways I think that my case represents the bulk of the amateurs.
My question is, on any given race day, other than contingencies and sponsors, what does the CCS or previously WERA affiliation, do for us?
How many people would actually stop racing if there were no contingencies other than consumables (tires, brakes, etc.) and no purses to be won?
Brooks, maybe I’m blind here, but I’ve never seen Shogun advertise anything for sale, so how do you recoup any of the money that you or other sponsors have put up for our Club?
I understand wanting to get exposure for up and coming talent, and I do see how the CMRA has helped to showcase this, but I was under the impression that the CMRA helped do this, not CCS/WERA.
Thanks,
Clayton Werner
#376
My contributions are made through Shogun, an entity created for this purpose. My goal has been to attract other supporters of the CMRA, whose contributions are specifically targeted at certain projects. There are now a number of these generous supporters of the club. Their contributions have gone towards air fence, repairs to OHR, purses and soon, towards the purchase of a new electronic timing/scoring system.
Roadracing is so expensive today that we must be creative in seeking funding sources from outside the paying membership. The CMRA has to stay current with safety and technilogical advances, while doing everything possible to keep the lid on fees. These contributors are actually investors who do not seek a monitary return. They are investing in the CMRA to preserve and further enhance the roadracing club experience that they, or someone close has enjoyed. Keeping our website and BBS civil is an example of the small return that we can offer. Handling the finances of the club as a business and being good stewards of the contributions is expected. Electing representitives who will put the adgenda of the CMRA above their own is another. For the average racer nothing more than a good attitude is required.
The constructive tone of this thread is a good measure of the progress we're making.
Brooks
My contributions are made through Shogun, an entity created for this purpose. My goal has been to attract other supporters of the CMRA, whose contributions are specifically targeted at certain projects. There are now a number of these generous supporters of the club. Their contributions have gone towards air fence, repairs to OHR, purses and soon, towards the purchase of a new electronic timing/scoring system.
Roadracing is so expensive today that we must be creative in seeking funding sources from outside the paying membership. The CMRA has to stay current with safety and technilogical advances, while doing everything possible to keep the lid on fees. These contributors are actually investors who do not seek a monitary return. They are investing in the CMRA to preserve and further enhance the roadracing club experience that they, or someone close has enjoyed. Keeping our website and BBS civil is an example of the small return that we can offer. Handling the finances of the club as a business and being good stewards of the contributions is expected. Electing representitives who will put the adgenda of the CMRA above their own is another. For the average racer nothing more than a good attitude is required.
The constructive tone of this thread is a good measure of the progress we're making.
Brooks
Hey Emmett,Quote:Originally posted by Emmett Dibble:
Also thanks to all who wanted to poke fun
at my spelling abilities but didn't.
Man I miss the spell check on the BBS 3 times
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Check out http://www.iespell.com . It works great with internet explorer. You just go up to tools and click on iespell after you write a post on any board and it spell checks. It has a huge vocabulary, too.
Hey Emmett,Quote:Originally posted by Emmett Dibble:
Also thanks to all who wanted to poke fun
at my spelling abilities but didn't.
Man I miss the spell check on the BBS 3 times
removed from this one. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
Check out http://www.iespell.com . It works great with internet explorer. You just go up to tools and click on iespell after you write a post on any board and it spell checks. It has a huge vocabulary, too.
Thanks Mark. I appreciate it. I am no longer annoyed
Thanks Mark. I appreciate it. I am no longer annoyed
(in a whiney little kids voice)
nanananana....na.....
I knew it had to be close to 500 Marcus.....
:p
(I am being silly, not pissy)
That offers even more creadance though to the fact that this club "could" do anything it wanted to. It has the shear numbers and resorces.
Brooks and the BOD, please keep us informed. I know it's still early seeing how this year just got started and I know you ultamilty have to
make a desicion based on what you believe is
good for the club. That is what you were elected
for.
When and if the time ever comes I just want to
make sure that everyone has all the facts possible and can feel good about what you do
in our name. And if they can't feel good then at least they can see the reason and thought prosess
you put into it.
I to am glad this thread has remained civil.
VERY good thoughts, facts and ideas have been expressed by many and it hasn't been bogged down in pettiness.
6 hour mini endurance coming up.
LETS RACE!!!!!!!!
(in a whiney little kids voice)
nanananana....na.....
I knew it had to be close to 500 Marcus.....
:p
(I am being silly, not pissy)
That offers even more creadance though to the fact that this club "could" do anything it wanted to. It has the shear numbers and resorces.
Brooks and the BOD, please keep us informed. I know it's still early seeing how this year just got started and I know you ultamilty have to
make a desicion based on what you believe is
good for the club. That is what you were elected
for.
When and if the time ever comes I just want to
make sure that everyone has all the facts possible and can feel good about what you do
in our name. And if they can't feel good then at least they can see the reason and thought prosess
you put into it.
I to am glad this thread has remained civil.
VERY good thoughts, facts and ideas have been expressed by many and it hasn't been bogged down in pettiness.
6 hour mini endurance coming up.
LETS RACE!!!!!!!!
Just my 2 cents worth for the board regarding the whole WERA/CCS/independent bit. First off, I think that for vast majority of us it doesn't make much difference. Having been through all 3 with the CMRA the actual race day experience didn't change much.
Overall, I like WERA better than CCS. The whole "corporatness" of CCS puts me off. I get the feeling that there's no real commitment to the sport, they just view it from a profit point of view and nothing else. Not that there's anything wrong with making a buck, but I get the feeling (perhaps wrongly) that they'd dump it all in heartbeat if they thought they could eke out another percent or 2 some other way. WERA on the other hand seems more committed to the sport. Yes, they need to turn a profit, but they do it by catering to what racers need and want. I don't think Eveyln and Sean are going to wake up tommorrow and decide to devote their time and energy to billboards and radio. I also like the GNF better than the ROC, mostly because RA is a much better track than Daytona. The only thing that's really in CCS's favor is their class structure for LW bikes, it's a lot better than WERA's, IMO.
I don't really see any downside to being independent, as long as enough people are willing to step up and do the work necessary.
I'm VERY glad that the board is airing this ahead of time. What really pissed people off last time (me included) was the feeling that the board just jammed the change down people's throats without ever asking what they thought.
Just my 2 cents worth for the board regarding the whole WERA/CCS/independent bit. First off, I think that for vast majority of us it doesn't make much difference. Having been through all 3 with the CMRA the actual race day experience didn't change much.
Overall, I like WERA better than CCS. The whole "corporatness" of CCS puts me off. I get the feeling that there's no real commitment to the sport, they just view it from a profit point of view and nothing else. Not that there's anything wrong with making a buck, but I get the feeling (perhaps wrongly) that they'd dump it all in heartbeat if they thought they could eke out another percent or 2 some other way. WERA on the other hand seems more committed to the sport. Yes, they need to turn a profit, but they do it by catering to what racers need and want. I don't think Eveyln and Sean are going to wake up tommorrow and decide to devote their time and energy to billboards and radio. I also like the GNF better than the ROC, mostly because RA is a much better track than Daytona. The only thing that's really in CCS's favor is their class structure for LW bikes, it's a lot better than WERA's, IMO.
I don't really see any downside to being independent, as long as enough people are willing to step up and do the work necessary.
I'm VERY glad that the board is airing this ahead of time. What really pissed people off last time (me included) was the feeling that the board just jammed the change down people's throats without ever asking what they thought.
Thanks Brooks.
The question that pops into my head refering to Co-promoted or not is: Why a deal? What makes the CMRA special, different, or whatever enough for CCS to say 'Okay here is your deal'??????? Is it because the CMRA has resources??? I don't know.
As you can tell, I haven't made a connection yet.
If someone would say, "David, CCS is in it for the money" then I would let it go. But because some events are not co-promoted, They can't be totally in it for the money.
Okay I'll shut up.
David
Thanks Brooks.
The question that pops into my head refering to Co-promoted or not is: Why a deal? What makes the CMRA special, different, or whatever enough for CCS to say 'Okay here is your deal'??????? Is it because the CMRA has resources??? I don't know.
As you can tell, I haven't made a connection yet.
If someone would say, "David, CCS is in it for the money" then I would let it go. But because some events are not co-promoted, They can't be totally in it for the money.
Okay I'll shut up.
David
David, I have no idea but I would be willing to bet it would be to cover their losses if turned out bad, as this years Daytona. It would be about the money. They want to make sure they get theirs
or at least arn't completely exposed. At some track in some locations I'm sure they are just about garenteed to break even so they aren't as
worried. What they were propossing here was new
so they didn't have a "base setting" to work with if you will.
Unforchanantly very few things can be attibuted to genrousity and good will, (as with Shogun)
most are tied to a greenback somewhere.
David, I have no idea but I would be willing to bet it would be to cover their losses if turned out bad, as this years Daytona. It would be about the money. They want to make sure they get theirs
or at least arn't completely exposed. At some track in some locations I'm sure they are just about garenteed to break even so they aren't as
worried. What they were propossing here was new
so they didn't have a "base setting" to work with if you will.
Unforchanantly very few things can be attibuted to genrousity and good will, (as with Shogun)
most are tied to a greenback somewhere.
A few thoughts...
The guy that pays a license fee, and then has a baby and can't make a season, makes the club more money that the guy that enters and wins 4 purse paying races...
As to exposure, 25 grand buys an ad or two in RideTexas and RRW.
Personally, I'd love to see the club leave the ClearChannel family. Given time, I fully expect ClearChannel to start paying points for "longest wheelie down front straight" and other such nonsense to add to the "entertainment value". It's also obvious that we are not perceived as valuable by CC, or they'd do the cross promotions that they are so famous for on their other "media properties" and we'd see advertising on radio and television for spectators to come to the races.
ClearChannel, no, WERA, if there's a benefit, yes. Independent, ditto.
My 2¢,
Daryl
A few thoughts...
The guy that pays a license fee, and then has a baby and can't make a season, makes the club more money that the guy that enters and wins 4 purse paying races...
As to exposure, 25 grand buys an ad or two in RideTexas and RRW.
Personally, I'd love to see the club leave the ClearChannel family. Given time, I fully expect ClearChannel to start paying points for "longest wheelie down front straight" and other such nonsense to add to the "entertainment value". It's also obvious that we are not perceived as valuable by CC, or they'd do the cross promotions that they are so famous for on their other "media properties" and we'd see advertising on radio and television for spectators to come to the races.
ClearChannel, no, WERA, if there's a benefit, yes. Independent, ditto.
My 2¢,
Daryl