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You are wrong Jess. Some of us _were_ at the open board meeting. And some of us do try to help, and volunteer (extra corner working), donate, stay late and help the staff pack after events even. That latter certainly puts some of us in a minority. Not everyone who takes issue with something is a worthless whiner.
You are wrong Jess. Some of us _were_ at the open board meeting. And some of us do try to help, and volunteer (extra corner working), donate, stay late and help the staff pack after events even. That latter certainly puts some of us in a minority. Not everyone who takes issue with something is a worthless whiner.
Jess not sure if your on the BOD but it sounds like you speak for them. Jess if you call being told in a public form at least 10 times you will not be expert. You spend alot of money and time to make sure you stay with in the rules that the BOD has made. Then a month later in a blink of an eye the rules get thrown out I think you would be upset to. Jess lets get one thing straight I have donated thousands of dollars, many hours of my personal time and chased lots of donations all to make this club better for you and other members. I dont agree with this rulling and now Im an outcast,a whinner,a problem member [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] This truly hurts my feelings [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] So Jees take your trophys and all my donations and stik them straight up your A-- [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Jess not sure if your on the BOD but it sounds like you speak for them. Jess if you call being told in a public form at least 10 times you will not be expert. You spend alot of money and time to make sure you stay with in the rules that the BOD has made. Then a month later in a blink of an eye the rules get thrown out I think you would be upset to. Jess lets get one thing straight I have donated thousands of dollars, many hours of my personal time and chased lots of donations all to make this club better for you and other members. I dont agree with this rulling and now Im an outcast,a whinner,a problem member [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] This truly hurts my feelings [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] So Jees take your trophys and all my donations and stik them straight up your A-- [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/mad.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
what I truly find to be a problem is the way in which the BOD or atleast the people who answer question in this forum claim to represent the BOD feel they should comunicate with members when they have a complait or question. I think a part of the responcibility of the people in charge is to not use inflamatory language to the members of this club. if your tired of hearing the same old questions then maybe it's time to abdigate your seat on the BOD and make room for people who understand the every yaer the club is going to have new member with the same questions as the new members last year. and these stances that anyone who does not just step in line is some how a bad member is truely sad. of course members are going to fight for there self intrest. last time I heard we don't have a union rep. then BOD on this forum and any other staff of the cmra should be working to be a calming force and the voice of reason as any choice they make should not have been fueled out of emotion but out of the best intrest of the club.
As to the topic at hand. moveing up more people after seting the list for the year over a month ago I do not think is fair. if you feel theses people would be better served as experts contact these people and ask them to move up. change the policy for next year to move up more people and have the rule book reflect that. personaly I think more people in the expert grids would be a good thing, but they way it's being gone about is bad.
btw I did vote, I could not make the banquet as I have a prior engagment and I have been and will be in the future more then willing to offer my help to our staff.
what I truly find to be a problem is the way in which the BOD or atleast the people who answer question in this forum claim to represent the BOD feel they should comunicate with members when they have a complait or question. I think a part of the responcibility of the people in charge is to not use inflamatory language to the members of this club. if your tired of hearing the same old questions then maybe it's time to abdigate your seat on the BOD and make room for people who understand the every yaer the club is going to have new member with the same questions as the new members last year. and these stances that anyone who does not just step in line is some how a bad member is truely sad. of course members are going to fight for there self intrest. last time I heard we don't have a union rep. then BOD on this forum and any other staff of the cmra should be working to be a calming force and the voice of reason as any choice they make should not have been fueled out of emotion but out of the best intrest of the club.
As to the topic at hand. moveing up more people after seting the list for the year over a month ago I do not think is fair. if you feel theses people would be better served as experts contact these people and ask them to move up. change the policy for next year to move up more people and have the rule book reflect that. personaly I think more people in the expert grids would be a good thing, but they way it's being gone about is bad.
btw I did vote, I could not make the banquet as I have a prior engagment and I have been and will be in the future more then willing to offer my help to our staff.
From Jess Johnson: [/QUOTE]"The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help."
Nothing like inflammatory unfounded statements from a BOD member.
B) I am not affected by this decision to THROW OUT THE RULE BOOK, and do what the BOD wants to do. Many of the posts here are pointing out the fact that the BOD has told members NO to their requests for changes, etc., in the recent past, and sited the RULEBOOK as set in stone. (With the put 'your request in for rule changes for next yr' slogan in place)
Like others posting here I have donated my time at Oakhill to improve a track that I nor the CMRA owns. I have worked for free promoting the club at the CMRA booth a cycleshows, and TX Stadium. I have donated items for auction at many awards banquets. I have provided a free spot on my endurance team for three yrs to a young up and coming CMRA racer. I have donated $$$ to the air fence fund, etc., etc., blah blah blah. But according to Jess I have done nothing but complain for self interest(s).
Generalizations: PRICELESS.
TIMMMY: WELCOME TO EXPERT SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p
From Jess Johnson: [/QUOTE]"The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help."
Nothing like inflammatory unfounded statements from a BOD member.
B) I am not affected by this decision to THROW OUT THE RULE BOOK, and do what the BOD wants to do. Many of the posts here are pointing out the fact that the BOD has told members NO to their requests for changes, etc., in the recent past, and sited the RULEBOOK as set in stone. (With the put 'your request in for rule changes for next yr' slogan in place)
Like others posting here I have donated my time at Oakhill to improve a track that I nor the CMRA owns. I have worked for free promoting the club at the CMRA booth a cycleshows, and TX Stadium. I have donated items for auction at many awards banquets. I have provided a free spot on my endurance team for three yrs to a young up and coming CMRA racer. I have donated $$$ to the air fence fund, etc., etc., blah blah blah. But according to Jess I have done nothing but complain for self interest(s).
Generalizations: PRICELESS.
TIMMMY: WELCOME TO EXPERT SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p
It seems the messages posted her are trying to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem, Mr Johnson.
Best solution I have read is from Stewart, advising to call the members on this new list & ask them to voluntarily move up to Expert.
It seems the messages posted her are trying to be a part of the solution rather than part of the problem, Mr Johnson.
Best solution I have read is from Stewart, advising to call the members on this new list & ask them to voluntarily move up to Expert.
Hmm, I think all anyone has to do is submit the friggin request to stay novice to the board.
Then wait and see what happens. Easy! IMHO MOFOS!!!
Hmm, I think all anyone has to do is submit the friggin request to stay novice to the board.
Then wait and see what happens. Easy! IMHO MOFOS!!!
How about make everyone an expert.
How about make everyone an expert.
I realize that if Roger got bumped then I really have nothing to complain about [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] ... however, I do think that the more inclusive criteria should have been implemented for 2007 as originally planned and not sprung on us now.
That's all I have to say I guess. I'm glad I at least got to stand on the podium one time as a novice... a 3rd in SSD with 6 entries, the very last race of the year :-\
I realize that if Roger got bumped then I really have nothing to complain about [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img] ... however, I do think that the more inclusive criteria should have been implemented for 2007 as originally planned and not sprung on us now.
That's all I have to say I guess. I'm glad I at least got to stand on the podium one time as a novice... a 3rd in SSD with 6 entries, the very last race of the year :-\
Thanks David [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
Thanks David [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
"The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help."Quote:Originally posted by Todd E. Gyure:
From Jess Johnson:
Nothing like inflammatory unfounded statements from a BOD member.
B) I am not affected by this decision to THROW OUT THE RULE BOOK, and do what the BOD wants to do. Many of the posts here are pointing out the fact that the BOD has told members NO to their requests for changes, etc., in the recent past, and sited the RULEBOOK as set in stone. (With the put 'your request in for rule changes for next yr' slogan in place)
Like others posting here I have donated my time at Oakhill to improve a track that I nor the CMRA owns. I have worked for free promoting the club at the CMRA booth a cycleshows, and TX Stadium. I have donated items for auction at many awards banquets. I have provided a free spot on my endurance team for three yrs to a young up and coming CMRA racer. I have donated $$$ to the air fence fund, etc., etc., blah blah blah. But according to Jess I have done nothing but complain for self interest(s).
Generalizations: PRICELESS.
TIMMMY: WELCOME TO EXPERT SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p [/QUOTE]
Man Todd you kill me! I did post "USUALLY" in my generalization statement because there is 20% of the people who don't qualify. Guess you might be the 1 out of this group of 5 or 6! There's always someone who has a legit beef. My anecdotal evidence is from my experience over the last 3 years on the BOD, and 10+ years with the TSBA and CMRA.
You are acting like this decision to promote the additional riders is a violation of the rulebook. All the rulebook says is that the BOD will determine the number of riders to promote. Riders with an index above the annouced number will be automatically promoted. We revised the announced number in response to the member meeting, as well as take a look at a few other people who we felt fell through the rider index crack.
We also don't have a good system for promoting people out of the endurance-only crowd. How should we handle them?
"The feedback streaming in now is from a vocal minority (4 or 5 people) who A) didn't show up to the open meeting and B) are directly affected by the decision. I've learned in the last few years on the BOD that the vocal minority USUALLY complain only out of self interest. Those who are most productive send in suggestions and offer their help."Quote:Originally posted by Todd E. Gyure:
From Jess Johnson:
Nothing like inflammatory unfounded statements from a BOD member.
B) I am not affected by this decision to THROW OUT THE RULE BOOK, and do what the BOD wants to do. Many of the posts here are pointing out the fact that the BOD has told members NO to their requests for changes, etc., in the recent past, and sited the RULEBOOK as set in stone. (With the put 'your request in for rule changes for next yr' slogan in place)
Like others posting here I have donated my time at Oakhill to improve a track that I nor the CMRA owns. I have worked for free promoting the club at the CMRA booth a cycleshows, and TX Stadium. I have donated items for auction at many awards banquets. I have provided a free spot on my endurance team for three yrs to a young up and coming CMRA racer. I have donated $$$ to the air fence fund, etc., etc., blah blah blah. But according to Jess I have done nothing but complain for self interest(s).
Generalizations: PRICELESS.
TIMMMY: WELCOME TO EXPERT SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p [/QUOTE]
Man Todd you kill me! I did post "USUALLY" in my generalization statement because there is 20% of the people who don't qualify. Guess you might be the 1 out of this group of 5 or 6! There's always someone who has a legit beef. My anecdotal evidence is from my experience over the last 3 years on the BOD, and 10+ years with the TSBA and CMRA.
You are acting like this decision to promote the additional riders is a violation of the rulebook. All the rulebook says is that the BOD will determine the number of riders to promote. Riders with an index above the annouced number will be automatically promoted. We revised the announced number in response to the member meeting, as well as take a look at a few other people who we felt fell through the rider index crack.
We also don't have a good system for promoting people out of the endurance-only crowd. How should we handle them?
Ya, EASY if you do not care about a big fat zero for the 1st two rounds of '07 MOFO! :pQuote:Originally posted by Keith Hertell #11:
Hmm, I think all anyone has to do is submit the friggin request to stay novice to the board.
Then wait and see what happens. Easy! IMHO MOFOS!!!
Ya, EASY if you do not care about a big fat zero for the 1st two rounds of '07 MOFO! :pQuote:Originally posted by Keith Hertell #11:
Hmm, I think all anyone has to do is submit the friggin request to stay novice to the board.
Then wait and see what happens. Easy! IMHO MOFOS!!!
Jess, I think we (BOD) should insult them until they leave the club. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p
Jess, I think we (BOD) should insult them until they leave the club. WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA :p
I know this is neither scientific, nor an actual system, but... most of the time we KNOW the endurance guys who should be an expert and need only to ask around to find out their laptimes.Quote:Originally posted by Jess Johnson:
We also don't have a good system for promoting people out of the endurance-only crowd. How should we handle them?
Unless they use an assumed name and don the fake nose & mustache glasses... but that would just be low [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
I know this is neither scientific, nor an actual system, but... most of the time we KNOW the endurance guys who should be an expert and need only to ask around to find out their laptimes.Quote:Originally posted by Jess Johnson:
We also don't have a good system for promoting people out of the endurance-only crowd. How should we handle them?
Unless they use an assumed name and don the fake nose & mustache glasses... but that would just be low [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
Every body listen Im not mad to be expert.I mad that I was told many times I would not be an expert in 2007. Not maybe it was NO! Not we are gonna move more up it was NO! OK now that Im not going to be expert can I race this bike in this class? YES Can I race this bike in this class? Tim read the rule book it has all your anwers. OK thanks. I spent a ton of money on bikes to try to win a championship. If I new I was gonna be an expert I would have not spent as much money. It doesnt make since to me to spend a bus load of money to race at the back with my friends or for fun as the BOD put it. Keith I have allredy filled my protest. I have allready been told by Chris not to expect no sampathy from him because he has been running in the back for over a year. Chris the difference is you where moved up according to the rule book. Your rider index was over .6 If my index was over .6 you would not hear a word from me. To be told one thing and then do another that doesnt sit well. Not only financially but mentally. At this point Im tired of beating my head against a door that will never open. This makes me very sad. TIIIMMMMY
Every body listen Im not mad to be expert.I mad that I was told many times I would not be an expert in 2007. Not maybe it was NO! Not we are gonna move more up it was NO! OK now that Im not going to be expert can I race this bike in this class? YES Can I race this bike in this class? Tim read the rule book it has all your anwers. OK thanks. I spent a ton of money on bikes to try to win a championship. If I new I was gonna be an expert I would have not spent as much money. It doesnt make since to me to spend a bus load of money to race at the back with my friends or for fun as the BOD put it. Keith I have allredy filled my protest. I have allready been told by Chris not to expect no sampathy from him because he has been running in the back for over a year. Chris the difference is you where moved up according to the rule book. Your rider index was over .6 If my index was over .6 you would not hear a word from me. To be told one thing and then do another that doesnt sit well. Not only financially but mentally. At this point Im tired of beating my head against a door that will never open. This makes me very sad. TIIIMMMMY
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FRIGIN WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! LOL
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FRIGIN WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! LOL
Keith dont you have a cat to molest or somthing [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Keith dont you have a cat to molest or somthing [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Tiiiimmmmyyyyyyyyy smells like feces x2!!!!! :p
Tiiiimmmmyyyyyyyyy smells like feces x2!!!!! :p
Tim,
You spent $25,000 on bikes to race as a Novice????
WTF!!!!!!
Dude, get yourself a $5,000 2003 R6, and spend the other $20,000 on riding schools and new tires as an EXPERT. You will be a much MUCH better rider because of it!
Troy
Tim,
You spent $25,000 on bikes to race as a Novice????
WTF!!!!!!
Dude, get yourself a $5,000 2003 R6, and spend the other $20,000 on riding schools and new tires as an EXPERT. You will be a much MUCH better rider because of it!
Troy
I'd like to teach the world to sing....in perfect harmony.........
I'd like to buy the world a coke and keep it company.......
Hmmmm..hmmm.hmmm......hmmm.hhmm..hmmm [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
I'd like to teach the world to sing....in perfect harmony.........
I'd like to buy the world a coke and keep it company.......
Hmmmm..hmmm.hmmm......hmmm.hhmm..hmmm [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny!!!
Now that's funny, I don't care who you are, that's funny!!!
Ahh the old, tired, Coke song trotted out again/as usual. Yawn, boring. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
Timmmmy: Welcome to expert SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
Ahh the old, tired, Coke song trotted out again/as usual. Yawn, boring. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/cool.gif[/img]
Timmmmy: Welcome to expert SUKA!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
Troy 06/999 12,000.00, 06/749s 7000.00, 03/monster 900 2800.00/ Ohlins superbike fork 8500.00 Olins R/T fork x 2 5800.00 Three rear shocks 2000.00 BLA BLA BLA Thats 38100.00 OUCH [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] I was gonna build some new minis also but now Im scared [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY
Troy 06/999 12,000.00, 06/749s 7000.00, 03/monster 900 2800.00/ Ohlins superbike fork 8500.00 Olins R/T fork x 2 5800.00 Three rear shocks 2000.00 BLA BLA BLA Thats 38100.00 OUCH [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/frown.gif[/img] I was gonna build some new minis also but now Im scared [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] TIIIMMMMY