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Originally Posted by Ben Gooding

How is "the family" determined? Paying Member? New BBS poster with 9 posts? The man who gets the CMRA on COTA? RS TD rider?
Someone with an uneducated non-researched opinion? Someone that doesn't sue the CMRA and the board? Inquiring minds want to know?

Here's a suggestion for George:
Pay your membership dues, take the CMRA licensing school, do some corner working, and race to remove your prov-nov status. Then speak with COTA and put together a thorough proposal with all the associated costs that you can present to the CMRA BOD for consideration. You make that happen and get us on COTA, then you can become the "Don" of the family!

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Thanks, I will.

Ben Gooding, red headed step child of the CMRA.

George is one of the coolest guys I've ever met at the racetrack. Always has a smile and would do anything to help another person out. Solid guy.

He is giving his opinion on Cota which many on here have done the same before... No need for some of the responses here. We talk a lot about increasing the participation in the club, avoiding some of these posts to a potential new member would be a start.

Like mentioned earlier, we are all family.

All it takes is somebody with an idea to make great things happen. Keep em coming George!

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Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

George is one of the coolest guys I've ever met at the racetrack. Always has a smile and would do anything to help another person out. Solid guy.

He is giving his opinion on Cota which many on here have done the same before... No need for some of the responses here. We talk a lot about increasing the participation in the club, avoiding some of these posts to a potential new member would be a start.

Like mentioned earlier, we are all family.

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bang bang bang

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Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

George is one of the coolest guys I've ever met at the racetrack. Always has a smile and would do anything to help another person out. Solid guy.

He is giving his opinion on Cota which many on here have done the same before... No need for some of the responses here. We talk a lot about increasing the participation in the club, avoiding some of these posts to a potential new member would be a start.

Like mentioned earlier, we are all family.

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I use to love you Michael now I love you even more.

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Originally Posted by Ben Gooding

How is "the family" determined? Paying Member? New BBS poster with 9 posts? The man who gets the CMRA on COTA? RS TD rider?
Someone with an uneducated non-researched opinion? Someone that doesn't sue the CMRA and the board? Inquiring minds want to know?

Here's a suggestion for George:
Pay your membership dues, take the CMRA licensing school, do some corner working, and race to remove your prov-nov status. Then speak with COTA and put together a thorough proposal with all the associated costs that you can present to the CMRA BOD for consideration. You make that happen and get us on COTA, then you can become the "Don" of the family!

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I will become a member and do the corner work but it will be at lost to CMRA giving I'm a regular at the track as a fan and have in multiple occasions brought friends with me to CMRA events.:wink:

:301: No pun intented. I would love to race COTA. Just don't see that happening any time soon.

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Originally Posted by Michael Klesel

George is one of the coolest guys I've ever met at the racetrack. Always has a smile and would do anything to help another person out. Solid guy.

He is giving his opinion on Cota which many on here have done the same before... No need for some of the responses here. We talk a lot about increasing the participation in the club, avoiding some of these posts to a potential new member would be a start.

Like mentioned earlier, we are all family.

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Michael is my Hero. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Paul Garcia

Michael is my Hero. :rolleyes:

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Garcia is mine ;)

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Originally Posted by GEORGE SCHAGAR

I will become a member and do the corner work but it will be at lost to CMRA giving I'm a regular at the track as a fan and have in multiple occasions brought friends with me to CMRA events.:wink:

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We'd take a fan-to-racer convert any day, George!

I promise it won't be at a loss to the club ;-) :-0

Look forward to welcoming you to the on-track fun!

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Originally Posted by Carter Rossner

Other stadiums host smaller events because giving a 16-year-old kid the chance to play for a state championship under the lights is quite a bit different from giving a 40-year-old car salesman a chance to get 7th in a race that 12 people entered.

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I don't know if you're aware or not but you just singled me out with this description. :lol:

On a serious note, I registered on these CMRA boards about a year ago and one of my first posts ever was a thread "CMRA at COTA?" in which I asked... "why not?". Of course we all determined it all comes down to money, and there simply wouldn't be enough. But after attending the Lone Star LeMans and Moto GP at COTA I've come to realize that the facility is in and of itself an entirely different beast than the venues on our schedule. As the wife and I walked around during Moto GP I imagined to myself not only the logistics of a CMRA weekend there, but what a sprint race would look like on the track. At 3.4 miles, the track is a full half-mile longer than the longest we currently race upon (TWS). Most of the turns are high-speed sweepers, with the tightest most technical turns coming at the end of long high-speed straights. Great for fast cars and very fast motorcycles, not necessarily great for club racing - especially those on ULW bikes.

Years ago I attended a National VW R32 owner's gathering at Hallett. There were people from all over the US, many of which had tracked their cars at world-class venues - Infineon, Daytona, Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca, etc. - and each of them just raved about Hallett's technical layout and elevation changes. They said after a few laps those big tracks just got boring, which I never even thought of. It makes sense, unless you're piloting a massively fast machine a long straightaway is kind of just a big pause in between the fun stuff. Ironically, the biggest complaint any of the R32 guys had about Hallett was a common one among cagers: it's just a bit too narrow... but it would be perfect for motorcycle racing! :)

Having rode CotA several times, I don't find it worth the extra price. And racing 'up' (C bike in a B or A class) would be very difficult due to the long straights towards the end of the course including one at the finish line. I'd rather spend the money in travel and go to Barber.
-Cody

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Originally Posted by Robert Lackey

On a serious note, I registered on these CMRA boards about a year ago and one of my first posts ever was a thread "CMRA at COTA?" in which I asked... "why not?". Of course we all determined it all comes down to money, and there simply wouldn't be enough. But after attending the Lone Star LeMans and Moto GP at COTA I've come to realize that the facility is in and of itself an entirely different beast than the venues on our schedule. As the wife and I walked around during Moto GP I imagined to myself not only the logistics of a CMRA weekend there, but what a sprint race would look like on the track. At 3.4 miles, the track is a full half-mile longer than the longest we currently race upon (TWS). Most of the turns are high-speed sweepers, with the tightest most technical turns coming at the end of long high-speed straights. Great for fast cars and very fast motorcycles, not necessarily great for club racing - especially those on ULW bikes.

Years ago I attended a National VW R32 owner's gathering at Hallett. There were people from all over the US, many of which had tracked their cars at world-class venues - Infineon, Daytona, Watkins Glen, Laguna Seca, etc. - and each of them just raved about Hallett's technical layout and elevation changes. They said after a few laps those big tracks just got boring, which I never even thought of. It makes sense, unless you're piloting a massively fast machine a long straightaway is kind of just a big pause in between the fun stuff. Ironically, the biggest complaint any of the R32 guys had about Hallett was a common one among cagers: it's just a bit too narrow... but it would be perfect for motorcycle racing! :)

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

Having rode CotA several times, I don't find it worth the extra price. And racing 'up' (C bike in a B or A class) would be very difficult due to the long straights towards the end of the course including one at the finish line. I'd rather spend the money in travel and go to Barber.
-Cody

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This. And this.

I've never ridden COTA and I'm sure it's a "fun" track but I think any effort put forth in going to a new venue should be directed towards Barber.

Would a combined event with WERA work at Barber? yes, I know we can go race with WERA, but it sounds like it would make for a good weekend.

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

Having rode CotA several times, I don't find it worth the extra price. And racing 'up' (C bike in a B or A class) would be very difficult due to the long straights towards the end of the course including one at the finish line. I'd rather spend the money in travel and go to Barber.
-Cody

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i dont know man.. i had plenty of fun on my 600 when i rode it their and routinely passed bigger bikes. The argument kinda goes out the window for me when i see the moto3 guys are running faster lap times than pretty much everyone that has done a ridesmart day at cota. I do understand it would be harder because of the skill levels in our club but seeing a smaller bike go faster tells me i need to get better my self. Perfect example is that I was trying to chase down cleland at the last outing.. i was on a built 1000 and he was on his built 600.. i couldnt keep up. he left me after half a lap.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Palmore

The argument kinda goes out the window for me when i see the moto3 guys are running faster lap times than pretty much everyone that has done a ridesmart day at cota.

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Matt, I'm not sure what you mean or are potentially blinded by...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circui...as#Lap_records

2014
Motorcycle Grand Prix of the Americas
Moto3
2:16.342

I've had about 4-5 people ever pass me out at a RideSmart day at CoTA (and have done at least 6 of them), and my best lap is only a 2:23.5, so there's probably about 1-2% of RideSmart attendees coming close to Moto3 lap times.

It's not "pretty much everyone", it's really "everyone, but a very-very rare handful"...

Skeptical of that Wiki article. It says V8 Supercar record is faster than Formula 1. Can that be? Also, some of the motorbike records don't jive with other online records I found. That may not lessen your point, though.

I do think it is mostly rider but I can't exactly just go buy a moto3 bike for 5k either. There is a reason they are soo fast.

Will we be running MSR in Houston CLOCKWISE?

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Originally Posted by Mark Lopez

Will we be running MSR in Houston CLOCKWISE?

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Definitely.

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Originally Posted by Josh Henke

Skeptical of that Wiki article. It says V8 Supercar record is faster than Formula 1. Can that be? Also, some of the motorbike records don't jive with other online records I found. That may not lessen your point, though.

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Don't the V8 supercars run an alternate course layout from Formula 1?

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Originally Posted by John McKenzie

Don't the V8 supercars run an alternate course layout from Formula 1?

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Yep. The supercars run the "short course," cutting out turns 7-11.

Walter or any staff/Board who knows - How is the afternoon schedule being run this year? Same as last year shifting down one position each weekend? Inverting every weekend like previous years? Something else?

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Originally Posted by Steven Smith

Walter or any staff/Board who knows - How is the afternoon schedule being run this year? Same as last year shifting down one position each weekend? Inverting every weekend like previous years? Something else?

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We will be rotating one race each weekend. Just like last season.

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Originally Posted by Matthew Palmore

i dont know man.. i had plenty of fun on my 600 when i rode it their and routinely passed bigger bikes. The argument kinda goes out the window for me when i see the moto3 guys are running faster lap times than pretty much everyone that has done a ridesmart day at cota. I do understand it would be harder because of the skill levels in our club but seeing a smaller bike go faster tells me i need to get better my self. Perfect example is that I was trying to chase down cleland at the last outing.. i was on a built 1000 and he was on his built 600.. i couldnt keep up. he left me after half a lap.

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Lol, I'm not saying that you can't pass a bigger bike there at all, but I am saying the HP advantage is huge there...and at all the 'right' places (if you're on the bigger bike). On any given lap, you can motor past someone on the front straight. You could probably manage enough of a gap to not allow someone to pass through turn 2 and entering 3. Then, when the 600 has the 'advantage' through the esses, it's extremely hard to pass. If you manage to pass them somewhere between 7-10, they will suck you back up going into 11, maybe not completely. But then, you have the long straight from 11-12. Almost a guarantee they'll pass you back and put some space between you. Very likely you won't pass them back until maybe 15. You don't have enough time to gap them before 20 and they'll pass you back before the finish line. This will repeat until you get lucky and hit some traffic, or until they pass you right before the checkered. Or maybe the 600 rider gets pissed and runs into the 1k in t12, haha.

I'm willing to bet someone on a liter bike normally substantially slower than someone else on a 600 can still beat the 600 rider there. When I say substantial, I'm talking about 5-8 seconds at TWS. If it does happen, I would at least hope the finish line can be moved way, way back.

Moto 3 isn't an accurate comparison to CMRA...
-Cody

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

Lol, I'm not saying that you can't pass a bigger bike there at all, but I am saying the HP advantage is huge there...and at all the 'right' places (if you're on the bigger bike). On any given lap, you can motor past someone on the front straight. You could probably manage enough of a gap to not allow someone to pass through turn 2 and entering 3. Then, when the 600 has the 'advantage' through the esses, it's extremely hard to pass. If you manage to pass them somewhere between 7-10, they will suck you back up going into 11, maybe not completely. But then, you have the long straight from 11-12. Almost a guarantee they'll pass you back and put some space between you. Very likely you won't pass them back until maybe 15. You don't have enough time to gap them before 20 and they'll pass you back before the finish line. This will repeat until you get lucky and hit some traffic, or until they pass you right before the checkered. Or maybe the 600 rider gets pissed and runs into the 1k in t12, haha.

I'm willing to bet someone on a liter bike normally substantially slower than someone else on a 600 can still beat the 600 rider there. When I say substantial, I'm talking about 5-8 seconds at TWS. If it does happen, I would at least hope the finish line can be moved way, way back.

Moto 3 isn't an accurate comparison to CMRA...
-Cody

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I would have to agree with Cody on this, liter bikes have a big advantage at Cota. That back straight is really long, and the front straight is long enough.

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Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather

I would have to agree with Cody on this

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I bet it pained you to say that ;-)

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

I bet it pained you to say that ;-)

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No, when I instructed there, it was down right scary the speed difference on the back straight, even when I was using my 750. That back straight lets a 1000 really stretch it's legs out.