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John,old guys on small bikes going fast is what keeps the planets alligned. On a personal note
whenever kermit allowed its rider to actually
make it to the track surface it was poetry in motion. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
tissue please... i think i have a frog (punny) in my throat... [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]Quote:Originally posted by Scott Levine:
John,old guys on small bikes going fast is what keeps the planets alligned. On a personal note
whenever kermit allowed its rider to actually
make it to the track surface it was poetry in motion. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/eek.gif[/img]
it was not just getting on the track with KERMIT, it was making a full 8 lap race (or 7 lap race if falt was on his superbike!!).
what a rod... [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img] [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/laugh.gif[/img]
Marvin, don't put it out to pasture just yet. We are reconsidering the rule, and should have at least a grace period of a year.
While we still firmly believe in it, and we felt that 4 months would be enough advance notice, we realize that there are riders in situations like you.
Well Jesse. You are correct. I have been racing since 1988. Yes, I trust my old "scub tires" as you put it. I prefer to call them "worn out" or "junk". I only ask of them what I think they can handle.
Let me sum up my GTO race for you. First of all it was my 3rd race of the day. The first I teamed with my 11 year old son on his YSR in the mini endurance. So imagine a 250 pound, 36 year old on a YSR.... Go ahead and laugh...My friends did.
Next I rode in the GTU race. Discovered a little problem with my bike cutting out in the dip in turn 1b, all this new fangled fuel injected stuff. Then brake fade half way through the race. Oh, and lunch was trying to come back up.
In the GTO race started from pit road just like in the GTU. Felt better, but still had the problem with bike cutting out. Still had a problem with brake fade. I don't want to freak you out, so I won't tell you about what my tires looked like at this point. Still got around you.... and If you look at my times, I don't think you will be able to tell when I had to "adjust" for brake fade.
Enough of that... Jesse I'm just havin' fun with you... Anyone who knows me, knows I'm messin' around.
Haze and I have started 8 hour races with a GSXR 1100 with a stack of trashed tires. You learn to ride on junk (nothing personal Haze),you can ride on anything. That is "OLD SCHOOL". You haven't raced unless you've done it with cords showen'.
Jesse I'm looking forward to meeting you face to face...If you promise not to take a swing at me. Sorry If I got close to you doing my "squid riding". But when done correctly, is a beautiful thing. I would never do anything to get anyone hurt. Been racing this long and have fallen off 7 times. With 6 Championships, so I'm no rookie. Or spring chicken.
And so you know, I'll probibly buck up for new tires on the 1000, unless you want to watch the show.
Not going to MSR, new bike is not ready yet.
Be good. Go fast!
Darnell
But remember... youth and talent are no match...
Wouldn't that be, "...Poetry in slow motion..."?
Love 'ya Johnny...you gotta try the EXFH...fire from the exhaust, blue smoke and chunks of rubber flying off the rear tire, oil spraying from every seam in the engine...plastic held together with some of every type of adhesive and fastener known to raceman....AND FRUSTRATED SV650s filling the rear-view mirrors!
Hope I've still got it and it hasn't vibrated off too many essential parts next time you make it out to a track. Bring your gear and some splints and bandages and take her for a few laps!
Chuck
"hope to get in more laps next race"
I think this is a VERY good idea.Quote:should have at least a grace period of a year.
I'll believe that when I see it on my shops dyno...at the rear tire for sure.Quote:Originally posted by Marvin Biano:
(04 R1 claims 172hp!)
So let's see if I have this in order....150HP Suzuki 750 compared to a stock 130HP Yamaha R1. Given enough money I suppose one could get 150+HP out of a 1000cc twin as well. All this and the fact that the same rider that can't ride the bike in sprints but, can ride it all day in an endurance race. It was mentioned (perhaps not by the BOD) that, an amateur, could upgrade to expert so he can use his 1000cc machine in sprints. What's the point in having the limits in the first place? [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/confused.gif[/img]
I'm not for smaller displacement limits for amateur riders either. I'd like to see an evaluation process for those riders that wish to "run what the already own". Blanket rules that don't take into consideration a riders riding experience or skill level just don't seem fair to me.
I did not post this to be argumentative, but I really want to understand the underlying purpose of this skewed logic...errr...uhhhh reasoning/decision. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]
I would like to hear someone defend these mode of thought. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]
Ok, evrybody has weighed in on this one so here's my .02!
Everyone knows you can't learn to be quick as safely and maybe not even as well on an expert level bike. Doesn't matter if it is a built 600 or 750 or a stock (or built) R1. Corner speed is best learned, IMHO, on making a slow engine/bike go fast.
With that said I still don't think there should be a limit on amatuers. After all this is America, the land of excess. And who's to say that the amatuer may only have access to that kind of excess. Still should require some kind of official qualification from Sam or another CMRA official that can judge the Am's ability and judgment! Sign em up and send them out with Heavy weight AM if there are not a number of them. Score em seperate. Sit back, enjoy the show, and hope no one is hurt. (same as every other class!) Smiley
Yep, you must have a non expert set up bike in order to go fast. [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/wink.gif[/img]Quote:Originally posted by CHRIS SMILEY:
Ok, evrybody has weighed in on this one so here's my .02!
Everyone knows you can't learn to be quick as safely and maybe not even as well on an expert level bike
I meant expert level power Eugene. Not expertly set up. You know newbies are not gonna get 100% of the performance of a completely stock motorcycle. Set up is a completely different story. It is highly advisable to get the best set up bike to learn on you can (hence my concession to AM's on big bikes). You don't want to learn how to ride on a bike that you have to compensate for it's set up or one that is dangerous.
Incidentally, I have seen Expert bikes "set up" to the point that they were as slow as the amatuers! Smiley