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I had a full day of practice on a 250, and 2 hours of it on endurance, then another full day on my big bike before i ran those times. Hallet is also pretty easy to learn IMO compared to Cresson/MSRH/ECR. Also, I ran those times when it was 90+ degrees and the sun was out. A little bit different than when the track was wet and seeping at the first round after a tornado last year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael De Simone
-Cody
You can do it Mr. Cody!!!!
So you're saying if you're an expert level rider you don't have an excuse for finishing outside the novice top ten after starting in the expert wave?Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Orr
Exactly my point! And Cody, your posting a video from 2 years ago. I'm sorry, you can't show up twice a year, start from the back and blow up the field. Then say your not comfortable running with better riders. Why didn't you race Msrh, a track your comfortable with? See what racing against other experts is like? You have 2 tracks (Msrh and Tws) you know very well at the start of the season, your argument doesn't hold up. Just admit, you really really wanted to win novice championships and your bitter about it.
You fast man. You can do it! I wish I was as fast as you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Stewart
Funny this is going on as long as it has, and we're not even in the off-season. The basic model in place works: strong guidelines for promotion with flexibility to address specific scenarios. I don't want to be completely at the mercy of the letter of a law (nor the converse); 'twould be idiotic.
For self promotion or automatic promotion?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
I have one from TWS last year of pretty much doing the exact same thing, but it's not on YT.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Sure you can, 787 did it and he's still novice. Blow up the field? You realize that I've never podiumed when I started from the back - right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Actually, I'm so comfortable riding around with other riders I'll even lay on the ground on a hot track with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Because I decided this year, instead of putting myself into situations I didn't feel comfortable with, I decided to do more track days at tracks I don't know to get myself at a level where I'd feel comfortable riding around in the expert group and try to go to a track or two that's far away (like Barber). Unfortunately, I don't have the disposable income to do both...which is exactly why I only do one or two rounds a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
You're right. I'm bitter. I really wanted to run circles around all these little ***** ***, slow *** novices this year running 39s at houston at the first round and lock up the championship.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Actually - I'm not stupid. If that was the case, I wouldn't come in here letting people know about my personal reasons for not wanting to be moved up. I probably would've just said "Well - glad my name wasn't thrown out there" and kept moving. But that's not the case. I came in here because all too often people don't understand things that they don't personally experience.
If I was to be bitter about something, it would be of our education system who failed to teach you the difference between your and you're.
Please let me know if you have any other wrong assumptions of me that I can clear up for you.
-Cody
damnnnnnn. i thought i was getting **** on...hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
Should it really make a difference? Whether you asked for promotion or it was done automatically shouldn't matter, in the end you have expert status and should have the skill set required for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Orr
Oh. He went there.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
Ok cody, you sure got me there, I'm out working and using a cell phone to respond to your non-sense. I'll stick to the topic at hand rather than make personal attacks like a child.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Stewart
If all that bs you have mentioned is what helps you sleep better at night, so be it. Way to go, you really showed them.
I so want to make a tampon joke here.
You called me bitter and a liar and I'm the one making personal attacks because I made a joke to try and lighten up the mood?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
I'm actually very surprised some of this is coming from you. Legitimately.
Anyway, I've explained my reasoning and I'm done. If you want to be a tool and call me a liar and put words in my mouth, that's fine (that is actually me calling you a name). Have a good day (that's sarcasm).
-Cody
Maybe, maybe not, I don't make those decisions. So there were some riders that were promoted ( I assume in A Superstock/bike ) that were beat by 10 or more novices?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
Yup, one experts lap time wouldn't have even put them on the podium for ULW GP novice. So my question is, how slow is too slow to be an expert? I know lap times aren't everything but surely there is a point when too slow is a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Orr
Your argument is flawed, it's like saying I have not been to this track on a track day. So I will bump down to level 2 where the riding is safer. We both know it's not safer.
I don't think you are a liar, I think you believe your explanation. And I think you have looked at it all wrong, and I don't think I am the only one.
Put what in your mouth?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Cody Stewart
Oh :ahem:, sorry. Got a little excited there. Carry on.
You should have inserted it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Proler
I agree, I think predictability and holding your line have a lot to do with it besides lap times. I am making the argument that when the club promotes you, it usually means you have proven where you belong. My point is if you were promoted by the CMRA, then there is a good chance you already run fast enough to not be DFL in your expert races, maybe even a lot faster (like top 10 expert). This all riding on if you were the only one promoted or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
I think you're referring to me here. I've turned maybe 15 laps total at MSRH l before the races on Sunday. Whatever I did in 2014 is insignificant because I was scared to even be back on a bike after my crash the season before. With that being said, I'm still not the slowest in the expert class. Just wait until TWS.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
Someone has to be in last place, my question is should last expert place be behind half or more of the novice field?
Somehow you weren't dead last nor am I referring to you, but if the shoe fits wear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Proler
It's a wonder how you and Dennis retain any friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
That is the problem we have, yes. We just have some fast *** novice riders and that is all there is to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
I think the club has a good way of knowing when they have to be promoted, but as Rab suggested the protest system has issues.
Bottom line: there are circumstances for any situation, but I trust Walter's decision making ability as our race director. Safety records and consistency are key too, not just lap times and finishes. There will ALWAYS be some overlap between the two groups.
And yet - I've done that. And felt better about my decision in doing so. Despite being level 3 at TWS, I did several days in level 2 at MSRH before I moved up to level 3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Regardless if my view doesn't line up with what your view is - what anyone else's view is - or what the preconceived view is of getting promoted, you stated that the reason (or at least part of it) I stopped racing was because I was bitter about not winning a novice championship - not because of what I had previously posted. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
-Cody
Does Walter go back and look at experts after they have been experts for a while? Should people that are slow or have slowed down be forced to stay in expert or is there a way for experts to be bumped back down to be with people that are closer in pace?
Sure there will be some overlap but 13 seconds a lap? I'm not saying an expert has to be faster than every novice, just wondering at what point are they too slow?
Who cares? Anyone that slow is going to end up in the same spot after turn one anyway.
Can we please get back on the topic of sandbagging expert novices?? If you get promoted, then protest and manage to come from the back to win a race that makes you a sandbagger. And the "not comfortable" running as an expert argument doesn't hold any water. Especially when you get tangled up with the experts in a wave start race. Seems like total comfort to me. It wasn't like there was any yielding/slowing down to let the other novices catch back up...
Boom. Totally agree. Back to work for me. I'll acquire tampons for the sandbaggers that don't feel comfortable racing. You pay shipping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael McGehee
Nobody wants to talk about it, it seems. :bump:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael McGehee
I thought that was what I was talking about?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert McNaught
See all this bowlsheet you started Rab?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert McNaught
<3
Yes, you are right..you were talking about it. Carry on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Orr
You're welcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tommy Hendricks
I don't know you well enough to know if that is sarcasm or the honest truth. :headshake:Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert McNaught
Anyways, Rab is right!
No sarcasm, its the truth - you were the only one talking about it in the last handful of posts.
So expert status should be determined independent of lap times?Quote:
Originally Posted by David Proler
Hmmmmm........ I'm not falling for that one!Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert McNaught
If your lap times are consistently at a fast pace that would be considered expert pace I think that's a pretty good reason to bump.what would have happened if I protested the bump it's redicoulous if you are that quick you need to be expert cut and dry and you will only get faster from there.
What if someone requests promotion, gets it and then appeals? I'd like to see that addressed in the rulebook.
once I heard if you stay and race with the club for long enough eventually they will give you the expert plate... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by David Adams11
I'm really going to enjoy racing with you this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Henke
I don't know you well enough to know if that is sarcasm or the honest truth. :headshake:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandon Orr
:bannana:
You will find out at TWS. :nana:Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Henke
Would you accept 70 squid?Quote:
Originally Posted by Robert McNaught
Clearly the pain pills are doing their job!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebecca Caudle
I'll see your squids and raise you a cuddlefish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rebecca Caudle
Not a Caudlefish? Or even a cuttlefish?Quote:
Originally Posted by Joseph Caruso