Yes I am serious Gavin. No quick shifters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin Williams
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Yes I am serious Gavin. No quick shifters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin Williams
Personally, I appreciate this. Not really necessary and keeps the cost down. We are exploring getting a 300 (probably wouldn't be able to until 2015), but things like this help keep cost manageable while feeling like we can still be competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
Nice. Keep it clean and keep the costs down.
Don't forget to budget $5k for a "Superstock" engine. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Harvey
I don't think it makes a damn bit of difference in performance. I just put them on my bikes for less stress on the gears and clutch which keeps those replacement costs down. Plus, they are now being included with the purchase of the fuel control modules such as Bazzaz. Banning them seems excessive and unnecessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Harvey
Lots of guys swear by them, indicating .5+ sec better lap times and improved consistency. If it's a spec class, we can't be too surprised by tough restrictions unless it's a safety issue (e.g. Defective master cylinder)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin Williams
Fuel cut, ignition cut or wrist cut... it's all about the same for lap times and is easy on the tranny if your wrist is snappy (some guys on here have a well developed forearm...).
Would this be legal? I figured it should be for big boys...
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/l...T/IMG_0435.jpg
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Yeah, I'm one of those heavy handed ones, really like the QS just because it makes things easier on the bike. Feel like I'm going to rip the throttle off the 250 sometimes. Fat kid provblems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark Windham
Lightweight 500 cc class riders:
When the rules are finalized, and the costs come back to me, I will be posting up finalized package deals for CBR500R race bikes in your choice of color, delivered to the track of your choice, by Altus Motorsports in Oklahoma http://www.altusmotorsports.com/ For Texas riders, we will be provided with an MSO, so no sales taxes will be assessed at the dealership. Oklahoma residents, you'd have to add sales taxes and registration. These bikes will be intended specifically for use in CMRA sprint and endurance racing. George is very supportive of racing already, mainly Motocross at the regional level, and is very keen to have a long lasting presence supporting the CMRA.
http://www.altusmotorsports.com/test...s_display2.asp
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Altus...058?ref=stream
I saw one CBR500 at TWS already, and Jaret Nassaney, George's son, from Altus will be riding one of these CBR's with CMRA in 2014. I have one already, another racer friend of mine bought one yesterday, and 2 more are spoken for. So, I know we'll have 5 or 6 on the grid at MSRH.
Altus will be stepping up to offer class sponsorship and with enough bikes on the grid, Honda should be throwing some cash in for top finishers for owners listed on the MSO (aka, they want you to buy a new bike) similar to the $750 contingency per race!!! Honda provided to CBR250 riders.
Here is a very rough approximation of how race packages might look. This is basically an at cost + $100 type deal. Basically, add race tires and gas and go race. Nothing is locked in stone, and any input is appreciated. Near-cost packages to upgrade your already owned 500 will be available as well. We (BRAWP Racing) have no interest in making money on the deal, we just want to get a field of ultra-competitive and semi-equally built CBR500's to the grid starting at MSR-H at the best price for our friends!!!!
A. Street Package: Street bike only, finance able through Honda, full warranty, etc... Out the door price, delivered ~$5,850 as of today. Red, Black, or White. Available NOW.
B. Trackday ("light" race) package: Street bike + Painted Sharkskins Race Plastics + Woodcraft Rearsets and Handlebars + Fully safety wired + Engine ice + All work done by Altus dealership. Ready for trackday or basic competition use (CMRA tech inspection legal, as delivered) ~$7500 (you keep street plastics, stock handlebars, and rearsets).
C. Race Package (Pending CMRA rules): Trackday package + Braided stainless brake line + M4 full exhaust + rear shock (tbd) + PCIII ~$8,850
D. New Racer Complete CMRA Package: Race package + F&R Stands + Warmers + Leathers + Helmet + Gloves + Boots + Back Protector + Transponder ~$10,500 and up.
Thoughts???
Peter
No doubt. I will be doing my best on the 500 to keep the lightweight up and comers and experts in my rear view. This is why I think the 500 will be sooooo fun for a slow old guy like me.Quote:
Originally Posted by David Kobierowski
Peter. Just so your clear engine ice is NOT LEGAL in the CMRA. Might want to pass that on to whomever is setting up the bikes.
I knew that...just forgot the name of Water Wetter / Redline. I don't even know what engine ice is, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Rutkowski
It's great someone is stepping up to provide these CBR's. Obviously the race package has to have some fork upgrade from stock (not sure who makes one), plus springs, unless that's just left to the buyer.
All depends on the finalized rules and what products are available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Erzal
2013 and up Kawasaki 636 will be allowed in C Superstock.
Can I get a woot woot!!! Awesome!!!:bannana::cheers::thumb:
Really pumped with new LWT Endurance rules... this should be a really fun class... one questions: is 500 classic going to be run under superstock rules?
See existing classic rules for more information.Quote:
Originally Posted by John Black
makes sense...
I was just planning on removing the QS from the Bazzaz to make it legal to race in the 300 class. Now, you have stated no TC (which I don't care about but it comes with the QS module) but that begs the question; do I have to now go buy another Bazzaz that is just a fuel management, or can I just zero out the TC settings on the box I have now?
Note: All of this was purchased before there was a 300 class being considered.
I would look into sending it back for exchange. I will be happy to speak with your supplier on your behalf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gavin Williams
No problem. I'll get two more ordered.
Thank you Walter. Three questions:Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
1. So Aprilia RS250 Cup bike allowed in 500 Classic?
2. Is 500 Classic running on Saturday's or Sunday's?
3. Are 300 Supersport bikes (EX300) allowed in 500 Supersport?
Might bring up my KR1-S for couple of races for 500 Classic... =)
Thank you again.
^^^kr1-s... Yes please!!!!
1) RS 250 cup bike No (doesn't really fit the spirit of the class) KRS-1 I sure hope so!Quote:
Originally Posted by Javier Martinez-Abrego
2) Saturday
3) No (300 and 500 will run together)
@Walter
I have a damper for my 250 that was purchased for WERA. Will it be required for the 2014 season?
I do NOT have one for the 300. Will I need to buy one for the 2014 season?
Thank you Walter. So can you give as an idea what a Saturday Mini Sprint class´s schedule will look like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
I am concerned having a Ninja 300 raced only in one class on Saturday when Mini Endurance is not schedule.
@Walter
I purchased a dampers for my 250 to race WERA last year. It had adverse affects on the handling of the bike(most likely due to a mounting issue) so I removed it and did not use it in the CMRA. Will a damper be required for the 250 in the 2014 season?
Will a damper be required for the 300 in the 2014 season?
Dampers will be required on the 250, 300, and 500.
I can haz! I can haz! Now to race prep the bike!
Would it be less confusing to call it "Sport" rules instead of Supersport?
Supersport seems too close to Superstock.
Might be easily confused in conversations about the classes (verbal & written)
Abbreiations could be SB,SS,& SP
Maybe I'm overthinking it.......or maybe it's just me getting old with failing sight & hearing
WERA uses "supersport," iirc. Not sure the difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Klindworth
For anyone who missed the first page: Grom Challenge is now official. Supersport rules. No clipons, no bodywork. All oem body panels must remain in place.
Davis Rod & Cycle will be sponsoring this class. But with a twist. Awards will be random and probably completely irrelevant. And may or may not be give to the winner or even a podium finisher. Awards will however be super awesome.
I like this idea.
I wrote up a quick list to clarify what I think the Grom Challenge should be like because I don't think standard supersport/stock rules really apply. It needs to stay a cheap as possible. That way someone with a completely stock Grom can show up and have a chance to do well.
Here's what I've got so far, I'll keep adding as I think of things.
Things that may be removed:
-Rear fender/license plate mount
-Horn
-Blinkers
-Mirrors
-Passenger pegs
Things that ARE allowed. If a modification isn't mentioned, it is NOT allowed.
-Any DOT tires are allowed.
-Aftermarket exhaust, or modifications to stock exhaust
-Air box may be modified or removed and replaced with a clamp on air filter. If using a clamp on filter a brace must be added to keep the bodywork from flapping.
-Throttle body may be turned around 180 degrees from stock.
-Foot pegs may be replaced with aftermarket pegs. Stock rear sets must remain.
-Aftermarket handlebars will be allowed as long as they use the stock clamp locations (1"7/8 handlebars are allowed as long as the stock riser mounting location is used). NO clip ons, NO clubman style bars, NO broomstick bars.
-Braided steel brake lines are allowed.
-Aftermarket brake pads are allowed.
-Aftermarket brake/clutch levers are allowed.
-Aftermarket shocks are allowed.
-Preload spacers in the forks or stiffer fork springs are allowed.
-Chain and sprocket upgrades are allowed. Any aftermarket sprockets must be stock tooth count.
Safety wire list:
-Front brake caliper bolts
-Front axle
-Rear axle
-Oil filler cap
-Oil drain plug
Tape list:
-Headlight taped with your sprint number displayed (side number plates not required)
-Tail light taped
What about a belly pan on the Grom?
No belly pan required. Show up and race your pitbike.
LJB is down for the Grom challenge...
Class unofficially to be known as "junior senior motard"
AKA- Class Get Off My Lawn
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Originally Posted by John Black
Perfect. Now I need to get a Grom.
+1.
exactly.:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael De Simone
Why does this make me think of Oak Hill ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
I'm with Alan on this one. This has all the makings of trouble.
Actually I wasn't thinking trouble at all, just thinking how much fun to watch (and probably ride) on a tight track.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Rutkowski
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Originally Posted by Ryan Andrews
I'm just curious what flipping the throttle body does for you?
I'm guessing you rotate it 180 to move the intake to the other side of the bike for more clearance for the air filter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan Warren
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Originally Posted by Jesse Davis
At first, I thought this said ¨junior senile motard¨ Only name better would have been ¨Jr senile ´tard¨