I like technology what about you

Hi my name is Greg Phillips, you may remember me from other threads such as http://www.cmraracing.com/showthread...Email-amp-more , and http://www.cmraracing.com/showthread...Forms-Feedback ......

Well ......... its 2013 the season is about to start and well ...... what has changed is the forum (good job btw ted), and emailing forms at least that got better. One of those post is 3 years old from 2010 (crap its been that long, is that right ?)! I am sure most of the racers are just used to the process by now, but why continue living in 1985 when the option is there to get things to 2013. As I look to signup for things thing year it reminded me of how out of date things were.

So again, if the CMRA is interested in coming to 2013 with technology as far as registration and other pieces of the site, let me know. I feel so much more can be done, but I guess it isn't on the priority list and I don't know why it isnt. I don't even know how much I plan on racing this year, but I am willing to help if the CMRA actually wants the help this time.

I know you are a non profit , but why cant we just setup a paypal (yes you can pay if u dont have a paypal) for the org, create a form and look online payment and submission are there.

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Ted addressed this at length during the open meeting with the board last Saturday.

Summary: Coming soon (i.e. after round 1)

Yes, updates coming as time allows. Online Registration is about 95% finished and I will be looking for beta testers soon.

This is most welcome news. Good job.

You the man ted .... carry on

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Originally Posted by mekrew

You the man ted .... carry on

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I'd like you to help test if you'd like to join in. Give me 1-2 weeks to finalize some aspects that were waiting on some early year decisions and we'll dive in.

No a problem I am here and would love to help you test. Incase you need my email again : mekrew@gmail.com

Ted has a bad tendency to do things in the best interest of the club, instead of what members want NOW!

I respect this.

Now if he can just get the new 636 legalized for C superstock :D

Ted, thank you for the updates.

Hey remember this thread a year ago ....

Even though I did not race much this past season and don't plan on it as well this season , I still do not see how this went untouched. I just got an email for pre-registration and I see things are still using the same format.

Granted I don't have the time and desire like I did the past 3 years when I offered to help. I am still confused on why the org would turn down an offer when someone was offering to help improve the organization for little to no cost output from the org.

Bring out the pitch forks and "I don't know whats going on behind the scenes post" /End rant

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Originally Posted by Greg Phillips

Hey remember this thread a year ago ....

Even though I did not race much this past season and don't plan on it as well this season , I still do not see how this went untouched. I just got an email for pre-registration and I see things are still using the same format.

Granted I don't have the time and desire like I did the past 3 years when I offered to help. I am still confused on why the org would turn down an offer when someone was offering to help improve the organization for little to no cost output from the org.

Bring out the pitch forks and "I don't know whats going on behind the scenes post" /End rant

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I remember. I put your name out there. I introduced you to folks. I thought this might happen, but it didn't. I have no answers for you, Greg. But it's good to see you're still alive and kicking.

I have had less than no time since last January.

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Originally Posted by Ted Phillips

I have had less than no time since last January.

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but you had an offer for 'free' help from someone who is capable, why not accept the offer?

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Originally Posted by Dean Dufrene

but you had an offer for 'free' help from someone who is capable, why not accept the offer?

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I did:

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Originally Posted by Ted Phillips

I'd like you to help test if you'd like to join in. Give me 1-2 weeks to finalize some aspects that were waiting on some early year decisions and we'll dive in.

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But:
no time to coordinate, no time to get someone else up to speed on everything I already have in place, no time to look at any other options

barely enough time to write replies here

It's complicated. Expectations vs what's allowed due to current processes and ins requirements make things difficult.

Pile that on top of Ted along with availability and it's even more difficult.

Last fall I made www.raceentry.net it is a work around that I plan to update after initial entries are done. I don't want to be part of the pre entry race...or shouldn't be rather.

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I did:



But:
no time to coordinate, no time to get someone else up to speed on everything I already have in place, no time to look at any other options

barely enough time to write replies here

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with all due respect to time, and I am not knocking your efforts, but what you just stated is the perfect reason why he should have been brought in, even if it was to start from scratch, he had 2 years to do it. Because we still arent there lol and even if he started from scratch and built something that worked, while it might mean all your hard work was for nothing, the club as a whole would benefit from it

of course i say this blindly, but blindly it seems right :)

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Originally Posted by Linz Leard

I remember. I put your name out there. I introduced you to folks. I thought this might happen, but it didn't. I have no answers for you, Greg. But it's good to see you're still alive and kicking.

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Hey Linz, ya thanks for trying man. I'm still here and kicking, blew up the 560 at the last mrsh day again too lazy to tear it apart and figure out what was it this time. So you got lucky this year if you planned on racing msrh. You still a regular at the 24hr emergency clinics ?

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Originally Posted by Dean Dufrene

with all due respect to time, and I am not knocking your efforts, but what you just stated is the perfect reason why he should have been brought in, even if it was to start from scratch, he had 2 years to do it. Because we still arent there lol and even if he started from scratch and built something that worked, while it might mean all your hard work was for nothing, the club as a whole would benefit from it

of course i say this blindly, but blindly it seems right :)

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See:

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no time to coordinate, no time to get someone else up to speed on everything I already have in place, no time to look at any other options

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It's complicated.

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I will give a more thorough explanation of everything as soon as I have time.

I can relate to lack of time. I've not had time or opportunity to do something I said I could do last season, either. But I'm still on it, well, as much as I can be.

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Originally Posted by Greg Phillips

Hey Linz, ya thanks for trying man. I'm still here and kicking, blew up the 560 at the last mrsh day again too lazy to tear it apart and figure out what was it this time. So you got lucky this year if you planned on racing msrh. You still a regular at the 24hr emergency clinics ?

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Blowing up sucks; I will count my lucky stars. And you know I never go to those 24 hour places. My doctor is always on speed dial and on standby...and she stood by a lot last year. Hope to see ya soon, my friend.

Now, back to regular programming...

While I do see some of Ted's points and we did try and get together I still feel this should of been done by now. When we initially got together the system was I would say at 20% as we were still discussing ideas and what system to use to drive it all. I know as a board member and being in charge of the technical stuff you wanted to take the lead and drive how it was built. I tried to follow up with you in regards to thing, but as you stated spare time was at a minimum. This is where in my opinion you let go of having complete control and just give someone the specs and guidelines and let them finish it. Be it they take your existing system , learn what you have and finish it or start from scratch at the end of the day the project is complete. Granted you weren't the one to finish it , its done at the end of the day.

From day 1 I offered to take the lead on this and run with it. All I would of needed time wise from you is , "Hey take a look at this, tell me what works and what doesn't". From there I could have made the changes/suggestions and all that would of been needed time wise was reviewing the work that was done.

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Hey Linz, ya thanks for trying man. I'm still here and kicking, blew up the 560 at the last mrsh day again too lazy to tear it apart and figure out what was it this time. So you got lucky this year if you planned on racing msrh. You still a regular at the 24hr emergency clinics ?

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i blew up my 125 2 smoker, going to attempt to tear the engine apart and fix it, first time ever lol wish me luck!

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i blew up my 125 2 smoker, going to attempt to tear the engine apart and fix it, first time ever lol wish me luck!

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Its easy, if I can tear apart a ktm motor having 0 idea what Im doing (with help from Linz of course) I am sure a 125 should be cake.

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Its easy, if I can tear apart a ktm motor having 0 idea what Im doing (with help from Linz of course) I am sure a 125 should be cake.

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thats what i hear lol first im trying to get my new bike race ready for Jan 25

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Originally Posted by Dean Dufrene

with all due respect to time, and I am not knocking your efforts, but what you just stated is the perfect reason why he should have been brought in, even if it was to start from scratch, he had 2 years to do it. Because we still arent there lol and even if he started from scratch and built something that worked, while it might mean all your hard work was for nothing, the club as a whole would benefit from it

of course i say this blindly, but blindly it seems right :)

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With all due respect. Online Registration will happen, when it happens, if it happens. That's it. Its easy to sit on the outside and look in and think that you know what the club need or doesn't need. The truth is that none of you actually do. Most people barely know what they need or want. Well I'm on the inside and I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are many things that we need that are more important than online registration. Any system that will likely only benefit 20% of our members that will in any way makes our jobs more difficult in terms of adding steps on the backend or that makes at track registration more difficult is simply not ready for prime time. The bottom line is this, WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO IT AND WE WILL USE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CHOSE TO USE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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With all due respect. Online Registration will happen, when it happens, if it happens. That's it. Its easy to sit on the outside and look in and think that you know what the club need or doesn't need. The truth is that none of you actually do. Most people barely know what they need or want. Well I'm on the inside and I can tell you with 100% certainty that there are many things that we need that are more important than online registration. Any system that will likely only benefit 20% of our members that will in any way makes our jobs more difficult in terms of adding steps on the backend or that makes at track registration more difficult is simply not ready for prime time. The bottom line is this, WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO IT AND WE WILL USE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CHOSE TO USE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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i will have to politely agree to disagree on your statement that none of us knows what this club needs or doesnt need. While we may not have the experience of sitting on the BOD or running it from the race directors position, that doesnt discount our knowledge of racing as a whole. In regards to what needs to be done and when it needs to be done and what other priorities the clubs has, well I can see your point on that. But that still goes back to the original comment made today that someone with knowledge and the skill to get this done, while not affecting the day to day operations of the staff and BOD of the CMRA, was not given the opportunity to help. If we didnt care about this club and continuing to make it the best racing organization in the country, then we would keep our mouths shut. It's a club Walter. We all enjoy it, we all love what CMRA stands for, and we all want to continue to see it grow and be the best.

And why are you always yelling at me? lol

For what it's worth, any project management Ted would need to do would likely take just as much time as doing the work himself. That's my experience anyway.

With all due respect Walter, I am sure we do not know what is going on behind the scenes and know what is needed or wanted. But with a system that is "correctly" built and put in place it shouldn't add any steps in terms of back-end registration and honestly should make back and front end administration twice as easy.
I am willing to bet that if this system was in place and you left mail/fax/email registration you would see that more than 20% of your members would use it. Thinking that only 20% would use it I think is a bit off. I am also open to hear in what ways in the back-end (because I honestly don't know what is going on) that this would add any additional steps. I find it hard to believe that Nancy enjoys printing out all those forms, organizing them and dealing with all that leading up to a race weekend.

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Its easy to sit on the outside and look in and think that you know what the club need or doesn't need. The truth is that none of you actually do. Most people barely know what they need or want.

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well I think if the members KNEW what was needed and how they could help you would possibly get more help and offers than if they didn't know.

Some examples off the top of my head:
Nancy's back end work load:
With a system that won't allow for incomplete or invalid forms that should reduce A LOT of her time in that department.
The need to bring all those paper forms to each and every race, gone. Yes you can get signatures w/o paper for forms.
Organizing all the printed/emailed forms on Nancy's behalf before the race day, gone. It will all be organized and structured in the system.
Someone can submit a form at 4am the day before they show up and guess what they are in the system. No need for the cut-off times before traveling to the events because it has to be printed.
Grid print out, Press a single button done

@Josh, I don't see how much project management it would take. I deal with project management and application development daily, if the PM has to spend that much time then whoever is doing the work either isnt getting full specs or the developer is ****. Here Josh I built this system for you , go check it out and let me know what you think based on the specs you gave me? If in a year you are telling me you don't have time to do that then I don't know what to say. It should take lets say a week of time here and there tops to create a specs document for a system like this and then its handed off and he can get back to the things that are keeping him busy.

Greg - The situation is different than a typical solution that you would normally create. There are things you cannot, I cannot, automate per the way the registration is designed.

Paper copies well never go away and neither will hand written signatures (not a bash on the club, just reality from a legal aspect). When you accept that fact you will begin to see some obstacles that may or may not be worth someone's time.

guys, I will fill everybody in as best I can on the whole situation, hopefully tonight

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With all due respect Walter, I am sure we do not know what is going on behind the scenes and know what is needed or wanted. But with a system that is "correctly" built and put in place it shouldn't add any steps in terms of back-end registration and honestly should make back and front end administration twice as easy.
I am willing to bet that if this system was in place and you left mail/fax/email registration you would see that more than 20% of your members would use it. Thinking that only 20% would use it I think is a bit off. I am also open to hear in what ways in the back-end (because I honestly don't know what is going on) that this would add any additional steps. I find it hard to believe that Nancy enjoys printing out all those forms, organizing them and dealing with all that leading up to a race weekend.

And in regards to well I think if the members KNEW what was needed and how they could help you would possibly get more help and offers than if they didn't know.

Some examples off the top of my head:
Nancy's back end work load:
With a system that won't allow for incomplete or invalid forms that should reduce A LOT of her time in that department.
The need to bring all those paper forms to each and every race, gone. Yes you can get signatures w/o paper for forms.
Organizing all the printed/emailed forms on Nancy's behalf before the race day, gone. It will all be organized and structured in the system.
Someone can submit a form at 4am the day before they show up and guess what they are in the system. No need for the cut-off times before traveling to the events because it has to be printed.
Grid print out, Press a single button done

@Josh, I don't see how much project management it would take. I deal with project management and application development daily, if the PM has to spend that much time then whoever is doing the work either isnt getting full specs or the developer is ****. Here Josh I built this system for you , go check it out and let me know what you think based on the specs you gave me? If in a year you are telling me you don't have time to do that then I don't know what to say. It should take lets say a week of time here and there tops to create a specs document for a system like this and then its handed off and he can get back to the things that are keeping him busy.

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Greg, I want to thank you for your offer to "try" and come up with an online registration system. FYI I also thanked the 4 other people that actually "did try" before they lost interest in racing and faded away. With that in mind forgive me if I don't start throwing rose pedals at the feet of every well meaning member that steps up with a better way to do things. Ted has spent much more of his very limited personal time working on this than you or anyone else for that matter will ever know. The result of that work is something that is light years further along than what his predecessors produced. So let me take a moment to thank Ted for what he "has done" so far. Now, I appreciate the bullet points on how the system that you should've, could've, or would've built would revolutionize the way we do registration. It actually does sound pretty easy, but it also sounds familiar. It's easy to look at a process from one perspective and be certain that there's a better way to perform that process. Lets get rid of this step and that step and boom the process is faster. The thing is all those steps have a specific purpose. This is what the 4 other people ran into. All of them in one way or another wanted us to change everything else we do to fit their ideas rather than build something that would work with what we had. Didn't make a lot of sense then or now.

I want to tell you a few things about myself. I'm a smart guy. I believe I'm a good manager and a very good problem solver. I also have a tremendous amount of experience in my field. Racing is my full time job specifically motorcycle racing but I have experience and connections in other forms of motorsports as well. I make it a point to stay on top of what is happening in my field. I try to stay on top of and understand industry standards. I also make it a point to not spout off statistics unless I know that they are correct. With these things in mind I would suggest that you not so easily discount my statement that likely only 20% of our members would use online registration. Does this mean that I don't want us to have it? Of course not, it simply means that we'll have it when we have it.

Finally, I wasn't inviting a discussion in my previous post I was simply giving our final answer.

Walter,
No rose pedals are needed, I am not asking for any type of praise of any kind because I wouldn't even know what I would have to done to deserve it. The reason for my "try" is because without the help from the people who know how the back end works I would be limited in what I could do to try and help get something made. While I can completely understand and know from trying to work with him that Ted has put in a fair amount of time and work so I am not discrediting that in any way. No one is coming in and trying to reinvent the wheel with this process, but based on what you are saying 4 others tried to come in and change the way you do things internally rather than build on what you had. I think from my end at least that is what I have tried to approach this situation in the past with. I went through Linz to try and get a hold of the people who know the process to try and understand how things worked and how a system could be built to make life easier from both sides. I just have my opinion from the outside and as I have said before I do not know all the internal workings and what is going on behind the scenes. But if this option was something that was wanted to be looked into further I don't see why the process of how things work wouldn't be made more transparent so maybe others from the outside can help formulate a solution that doesn't break the current flow of things.

I have no doubt you are a smart guy and good at what you do, if I implied other wise my apologies. But even other greats who are smart in their fields and areas of expertise sometimes need an outside eye or opinion to see things from another p.o.v. I know you are very well connected and known in the motorcycle world and keep up with technology and standards. Let me preface this by saying again I do not know the inner workings of everything , but WERA launched their online registration in 2010, and from my research there weren't many complain about modernizing the system. I believe from some of your former post you are tied in with AMA as well, they use online registration for riders and teams as well. I am not discrediting your 20% , but at the same time I am interested in what the results would be on this forum alone if polled if they would rather use an online system vs the current process.

I understand that may be the final answer this is your organization not mine, but I am just using the messages boards to have a discussion that is all.

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Walter,
No rose pedals are needed, I am not asking for any type of praise of any kind because I wouldn't even know what I would have to done to deserve it. The reason for my "try" is because without the help from the people who know how the back end works I would be limited in what I could do to try and help get something made. While I can completely understand and know from trying to work with him that Ted has put in a fair amount of time and work so I am not discrediting that in any way. No one is coming in and trying to reinvent the wheel with this process, but based on what you are saying 4 others tried to come in and change the way you do things internally rather than build on what you had. I think from my end at least that is what I have tried to approach this situation in the past with. I went through Linz to try and get a hold of the people who know the process to try and understand how things worked and how a system could be built to make life easier from both sides. I just have my opinion from the outside and as I have said before I do not know all the internal workings and what is going on behind the scenes. But if this option was something that was wanted to be looked into further I don't see why the process of how things work wouldn't be made more transparent so maybe others from the outside can help formulate a solution that doesn't break the current flow of things.

I have no doubt you are a smart guy and good at what you do, if I implied other wise my apologies. But even other greats who are smart in their fields and areas of expertise sometimes need an outside eye or opinion to see things from another p.o.v. I know you are very well connected and known in the motorcycle world and keep up with technology and standards. Let me preface this by saying again I do not know the inner workings of everything , but WERA launched their online registration in 2010, and from my research there weren't many complain about modernizing the system. I believe from some of your former post you are tied in with AMA as well, they use online registration for riders and teams as well. I am not discrediting your 20% , but at the same time I am interested in what the results would be on this forum alone if polled if they would rather use an online system vs the current process.

I understand that may be the final answer this is your organization not mine, but I am just using the messages boards to have a discussion that is all.

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Totally missed the point.

If the point was you will get to it when its right for the club I got that. If it was something else then whoops

Ted is an excellent board member who is an outstanding contributor in every aspect of the word. He's available and communicates effectively here in this forum, he 100% involved and active in every topic discussed on Board of Directors forum and he actively contributed his time and energy to improved the way things work about this message board (among many other things) for the benefit of the few who are responsible for keeping things running through thick and thin.

Our collective approach has been to focus on the areas that provide the most benefit for the right level of investment. Ted is the active driver of the majority of improvements that largely benefit Walter and Nancy's work behind the scenes - that is a high priority.

Any reasonable organization is going to have controls in place for managing change. Oversight and control of our clubs most visible tool isn't something to be taken lightly or turned over to relatively unknown entities. We've insisted that anything and everything be coordinated through a single point of contact to ensure continuity.

btw - this thread is a perfect example of why the work and effort of the highest contributors in the CMRA are often referred to as a "thankless job'.

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"Ted has put in a fair amount of time and work"...uuhm, that would be the mother of all understatements.


" this is your organization not mine" no, this is yours, mine, ted's, walter's and everyones.

[QUOTE=mark niemi;288154][QUOTE=Greg Phillips;

"Ted has put in a fair amount of time and work"...uuhm, that would be the mother of all understatements.


" this is your organization not mine" no, this is yours, mine, ted's, walter's and everyones.[/QUOTE]

Like I said, totally missed the point.

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The bottom line is this, WE WILL GET TO IT WHEN WE GET TO IT AND WE WILL USE THE PEOPLE THAT WE CHOSE TO USE TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

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There's your answer, Greg. Ridiculous, I know.

I like Ted and there is no doubt he has put in countless hours of volunteer work for the club but online registration, if I'm not mistaken, is the platform he ran on several years ago and the sole reason he got my vote. Kind of reminds me of that whole "Read my lips, no new taxes!" thing. Except Ted was reelected. :)

Sorry I didn't have time to finish typing everything up last night. If there was a simple solution it would be in place. If you care to dig up my original platform from whatever year my first election was you could see many key ideas are now in place. In this most recent election I focused on online registration because I wanted to get reelected on the simple premise to finish that job above all others.


If all I had on my plate was online registration it would be in place within 2 weeks (assuming several other key people also had nothing on their plate and also had a free 2 weeks). My significant other, my day job, my BOD responsibilities, and other priorities soak up 99.9% of my time. It's not that progress isn't being made, it's that progress is painstakingly slow.

More details to come later.

"No good deed goes unpunished."

Greg, not only is this not gonna happen, you're pissing off the Bod and race direction. As stated in my previous posts in another thread(just do a search), I would suggest you keep your mouth shut, throw praise at anyone associated with the board or direction or LSTD(same thing) and just get in line and pay them whatever money they deem necessary you pay. You, nor I, nor anyone outside the inner circle will ever change anything within the circle. This is becoming more and more obvious to me. Not only that, we'll be chastised, black listed, and ridiculed for trying to do so. We are obviously all ignorant of how any of this works and should just be grateful we have such competent and qualified people making these decisions for us.

I'd like to take this time to thank everyone associated with the CMRA(LSTD) for all there efforts and for giving me a place to spend my money and hope they will excuse my ignorance. I hope they know that I am very aware of my lack of abilities and experience and will try to refrain from giving any input or suggest anything because I have no business doing so. I would also like to apologize for any suggestions I may have had in the past or will have in the future. I have no idea how to do anything.

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Greg, not only is this not gonna happen, you're pissing off the Bod and race direction. As stated in my previous posts in another thread(just do a search), I would suggest you keep your mouth shut, throw praise at anyone associated with the board or direction or LSTD(same thing) and just get in line and pay them whatever money they deem necessary you pay. You, nor I, nor anyone outside the inner circle will ever change anything within the circle. This is becoming more and more obvious to me. Not only that, we'll be chastised, black listed, and ridiculed for trying to do so. We are obviously all ignorant of how any of this works and should just be grateful we have such competent and qualified people making these decisions for us.

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Patently untrue. Please show me where I have chastised, black listed, or ridiculed anyone. And what does LSTD have to do with anything?

Furthermore, I don't have time to get pissed off. I doubt any of the other Board members or Staff do either.

Pretty soon all of the good people who are prime examples of key leadership are going to hang a big middle finger at the members when asked to be on the BoD.

The club isn't solvent and successful despite all these people's efforts; it's solvent and successful BECAUSE of these people. Ted is a prime example. The guy's email, texts and phone call volume dealing with Club business is incredible and it's not just him from the BoD that gets it. Ted (and others) didn't garner the clear majority of votes from the membership because of some thoughts on what they would try to accomplish if elected, those are just ideas; he got them because of the kind of person and leader he (and the others) are. People who know Ted know that about him, and voted thusly. If you voted for Ted because of a perception of a promise he couldn't possibly make, well, that's sad and unfortunate.

I could totally understand if we didn't have a successful program and years of proven success with our racing series, but all the hostility toward the folks that make it successful? Really?

How are "you" going to handle the same personal work load (of the job that pays your bills) and the expectations of the BoD, plus the perceived expectations of the membership from your glass houses?

Brian will be signing his new book "Making Friends" at MSRH next month. Make sure to grab a copy! It's bound to be an epic read!

Ted, Tom, Walter, other BOD members. Please remember it's the unsilent few voicing such strong opinions. It would be easy to forget that a huge majority of the members are very thankful for you... whether they know it or not.

I'm thankful I get to race 4+ tracks just a few hours from my doorstep! Give me the outdated forms to sign and fax in. I'll be suited up and ready to grid :)

Thanks CMRA

No one is attacking Ted, Walter or the BoD. At least I'm not. I'm just perplexed as to why, for a few years, we've had a willing and good standing member perfectly capable to handle all this yet there is an unwillingness to delegate the task. I mean we delegate all other kinds of tasks to volunteers... why not this one? It would have been done by now.

My last word because I love the CMRA and wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise. :)

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No one is attacking Ted, Walter or the BoD. At least I'm not. I'm just perplexed as to why, for a few years, we've had a willing and good standing member willing and perfectly capable to handle all this yet there is an unwillingness to delegate the task. I mean we delegate all other kinds of tasks to volunteers... why not this one? It would have been done by now.

My last word because I love the CMRA. :)

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In short, because most of the research, development, and hard-to-figure-out solutions have already been done. What remains is developing, updating, and implementing the behind-the-scenes infrastructure for any customer facing registration system to interface with. There is far more to it than capturing data in a website. I hope it will become much clearer as soon as I can get everything outlined.

Getting the website part in place is easy, and it could be in place in a few days (if I had a few days with nothing to do) if that's all we needed. The problem is that only satisfies the racer's convenience, and it simultaneously creates a whole host of issues on the backend (meaning the CMRA office, at-track Registration, the Timing/Scoring system, etc) that are still being worked on. We cannot flip the switch on something that doesn't both satisfy the racer's convenience while also making everything on the backend seamless. We simply cannot add any more workload to the Administrator or Registration staff.

No one is asking for thanks, defense, admonishment, insults, or praise. All we're asking for is patience.

Lol Brian said screw it this morning didn't he, that guy is funny I like him.

I think a lot of you are taking this and flipping it into something completely different. Please let me know where in anything I stated where I said I was not thankful for the work that they have done. Just because a someone has for some kind of improvement and tries to HELP has zero connection to what they do currently. This has nothing to do personally towards Ted or anyone else on the BOD, hell I think out of them all I have only met Ted in person. All this was doing was again showing that outside help was offered for something and I think it is something that should be looked into. Again no where was it stated, "Man Ted needs to do more he isn't helping cmra enough" or "Walter doesn't know what hes doing for not setting thing up" so I do not know where all the defensiveness is coming from.

@Tom , why would good people give the middle finger to members when it comes to being on the BOD. Just like any elected official they are there to do the best for the whole and represent the people. If the people can't voice their thoughts and opinions w/o this "backlash" that you speak of then what is the point of saying anything? No one said it has to be done because at the end of the day it comes down to Walter and the board , but if I can't voice a concern on a message board then I don't know what to say.

It was around 2010 - 2012/13 for pdfs alone to be allowed and not faxes

I will just wait for the online system to be released and hope this thread fades into the darkness so we can see the reactions to everyone once registration catches up to technology.

Again, I have asked in what ways moving from fax/mail/pdf to an online registration system will disrupt the "back-end" process and make things harder? I would like to hear Nancy's unbiased opinion on how much work she has to do with juggling the 3 different mediums of registration vs if it was only 1

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Originally Posted by Brandt Dillon

No one is attacking Ted, Walter or the BoD. At least I'm not. I'm just perplexed as to why, for a few years, we've had a willing and good standing member perfectly capable to handle all this yet there is an unwillingness to delegate the task. I mean we delegate all other kinds of tasks to volunteers... why not this one? It would have been done by now.

My last word because I love the CMRA and wouldn't want anyone to think otherwise. :)

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so much you traded your race license in for a fishing license lol Don't worry I am not far behind you, lots of awesome fishing holes in Louisiana if you ever want to take a trip