In the pits

I've seen two absolute boneheaded mistakes in the pits this year and am wondering why....are penalties not stiff enough or are we just that absent minded. With all the discussion about speed limits, and safety in the pits, etc, I've seen a bike running backwards on hot pit and an attempted refuel while the bike was still running. In addition, I've seen a bike crash and not come in for a couple laps....was it leaking fluids, etc...while it circulated....who knows. But seems, to me anyway, these incidents have much bigger potential implications than speeding in he pits.

To me, infractions like these are lap losing ones, not seconds in the pits. I assume anyone and an team can make these mistake but the ramifications seem too lenient to me.

Just an observation from a Team owner, rider, and spectators position.

Agreed. And to think that some got bent when I gave warnings...

last weekend i saw a cmra official helping a team with crash repair....

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Originally Posted by Jesse Davis

last weekend i saw a cmra official helping a team with crash repair....

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Was it a red bike?

I saw the bike crash and not come in. It was a confusing bit of circumstance. It appeared as such: rider was fine, bike started up, official who visited him at crash site told him to take off but rider thought that meant "you've been teched and you're good to go." His team told him to pit in as soon as they realized he wasn't coming in, so he came in.

I saw a rider come in for what appeared to be a required roll-thru and then they tripped 36mph on the radar on exit. Didn't see anything come of that. Didn't pay attention long to see if there was follow-up, didn't really care.

Thought it was a pretty good weekend. Few crashes, no red flag on endurance, and people generally seemed to be having a good time.

Those looking for perfection should consider another sport.

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Originally Posted by John Redford

Those looking for perfection should consider another sport.

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Golf?

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Originally Posted by Josh Henke

I saw the bike crash and not come in. It was a confusing bit of circumstance. It appeared as such: rider was fine, bike started up, official who visited him at crash site told him to take off but rider thought that meant "you've been teched and you're good to go." His team told him to pit in as soon as they realized he wasn't coming in, so he came in.

I saw a rider come in for what appeared to be a required roll-thru and then they tripped 36mph on the radar on exit. Didn't see anything come of that. Didn't pay attention long to see if there was follow-up, didn't really care.

Thought it was a pretty good weekend. Few crashes, no red flag on endurance, and people generally seemed to be having a good time.

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The rulebook says a crashed bike and rider cannot be teched on the race course; they must be inspected by a qualified official (meaning Nancy in registration isn't the official to look at your bike, but any official working the pits is) in the cold pits or on hot pit road. When I come upon a crashed bike on the track, I do my best to inform him or her to get the bike teched before re-entering the race. This communication is not always stated in words, though, because of circumstance, or understood because of circumstance. It's on the rider to know the rules, but officials always try to help when they can.

I talked to several speeders on the weekend, and had my own radar gun in hand. The CMRA's radar gun at pit exit was acting wonky, so some folks got a pass that normally wouldn't. They likely got a visit from an official to closely monitor speed, though.

I can't speak with regard to the official working on a bike. I'll point and advise and even try to catch a falling bike (that's a safety thing), but I'm not going to tape, wire or wrench on your bike when it's in for repairs. You gotta fix it yourself. The other officials are of the same direction.

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Originally Posted by Linz Leard

The rulebook says a crashed bike and rider cannot be teched on the race course; they must be inspected by a qualified official (meaning Nancy in registration isn't the official to look at your bike, but any official working the pits is) in the cold pits or on hot pit road. When I come upon a crashed bike on the track, I do my best to inform him or her to get the bike teched before re-entering the race. This communication is not always stated in words, though, because of circumstance, or understood because of circumstance. It's on the rider to know the rules, but officials always try to help when they can.

I talked to several speeders on the weekend, and had my own radar gun in hand. The CMRA's radar gun at pit exit was acting wonky, so some folks got a pass that normally wouldn't. They likely got a visit from an official to closely monitor speed, though.

I can't speak with regard to the official working on a bike. I'll point and advise and even try to catch a falling bike (that's a safety thing), but I'm not going to tape, wire or wrench on your bike when it's in for repairs. You gotta fix it yourself. The other officials are of the same direion.

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Originally Posted by Jesse Davis

last weekend i saw a cmra official helping a team with crash repair....

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We had our team crash right at the exit of rattle snake. he was able to get Ryan to help him push it in. The only damage was a twisted clip on. after a quick adjustment, we had an official help us locate where we should put the new transponder. Our transponder had a weak signal and needed to be replaced. The official was showing us where to put it. My transponder showed 3 green blinks after we took it off, so i am not sure why it was giving a weak signal.

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Originally Posted by jose gutierrez

We had our team crash right at the exit of rattle snake. he was able to get Ryan to help him push it in. The only damage was a twisted clip on. after a quick adjustment, we had an official help us locate where we should put the new transponder. Our transponder had a weak signal and needed to be replaced. The official was showing us where to put it. My transponder showed 3 green blinks after we took it off, so i am not sure why it was giving a weak signal.

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wasnt referring to your team, for the record.

I am getting to old for this crap!!!

Look around you there is a lot of good going on quit looking for problems.....

Let the officials due there job.

If you dont have anything good to say ( and I think you were told this as a kid ) dont say anything

I was one of the alleged speeders but I know for sure I wasn't as I never go above 30 indicated and we all know how optimistic speedos are. I confirmed my theory when watching the races Sunday and saw multiple officials walking down the pits at 36mph.

I guess no one will get a chance to btch next round though.

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Originally Posted by Dennis King

I was one of the alleged speeders but I know for sure I wasn't as I never go above 30 indicated and we all know how optimistic speedos are. I confirmed my theory when watching the races Sunday and saw multiple officials walking down the pits at 36mph.

I guess no one will get a chance to btch next round though.

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I saw you get the gun as you went out, you weren't exceeding 30.

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Originally Posted by ROBERT BLEVINS

I am getting to old for this crap!!!

Look around you there is a lot of good going on quit looking for problems.....

Let the officials due there job.

If you dont have anything good to say ( and I think you were told this as a kid ) dont say anything

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Yep.

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*their

*don't (x2)

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Originally Posted by Staton Shed

Yep.

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You missed *too, and you effed up **don't.

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Originally Posted by Staton Shed

Yep.

*too

*do

*their

*don't (x2)

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Tom.

What? You cray cray...

I like turtles.

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Originally Posted by Ron Mears

I like turtles.

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Me TOO! A little salt, pepper, buttah...

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Originally Posted by Staton Shed

Tom.

What? You cray cray...

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Totes M'Goats.

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Originally Posted by Ron Mears

I like turtles.

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As in "So Happy Together ....." ? :rofl:

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Originally Posted by John Redford

Those looking for perfection should consider another sport.

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I assume this is a reply to the topic.....and not someone elses reply.

I'm not looking for perfection...these rules are for your and my safety, they are not competition rules....like using slick in a DOT race.

I'm offering my opinion that I think the ramifications of these types of rules infractions are significantly disproportional to their potential safety implications and when compared to other rule infractions.

Instead of a 6 hr endurance, maybe we should have 6 Team 60s in a row on Sat. Team 60 = endurance - drama. :)

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Originally Posted by Derek Thomas

I assume this is a reply to the topic.....and not someone elses reply.

I'm not looking for perfection...these rules are for your and my safety, they are not competition rules....like using slick in a DOT race.

I'm offering my opinion that I think the ramifications of these types of rules infractions are significantly disproportional to their potential safety implications and when compared to other rule infractions.

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I appreciate and understand your thinking, why not take it up with Linz privately first?

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Originally Posted by Sean Gurevich

Instead of a 6 hr endurance, maybe we should have 6 Team 60s in a row on Sat. Team 60 = endurance - drama. :)

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I was going to say split up the Team 60 classes between novice and expert but then I wouldn't have a goal to achieve.

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Originally Posted by Sean Gurevich

Instead of a 6 hr endurance, maybe we should have 6 Team 60s in a row on Sat. Team 60 = endurance - drama. :)

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first off...anything where you ride less than an hour (individually) is no where close to being an endurance race....30 minutes is a walk in the park and hardly a warm-up for an endurance rider.

second....if a discussion to try and keep anyone safe from another persons mistakes is drama for you, then stop reading and go watch a reality TV show, that's where the drama is!

+1 on the 30 minute stint =x= endurance racing. And just to clarify Dennis, when Linz came over, he didn't allege that you were speeding. He just said, politely, that he heard you going out, did not get a speed, but it sounded like you were taking off pretty hard and asked me to simply remind the team to keep it under 30 in the pit area. My bad if I didn't communicate that clearly. All good here.

Team 180 Novice
Team 180 Expert

:D

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Originally Posted by David Branyon

+1 on the 30 minute stint =x= endurance racing. And just to clarify Dennis, when Linz came over, he didn't allege that you were speeding. He just said, politely, that he heard you going out, did not get a speed, but it sounded like you were taking off pretty hard and asked me to simply remind the team to keep it under 30 in the pit area. My bad if I didn't communicate that clearly. All good here.

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Ahhh, Ok. Yes I am always conscious of my speed on pit lane. Won't matter the rest of the season though. :bannana:

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Originally Posted by David Branyon

+1 on the 30 minute stint =x= endurance racing. And just to clarify Dennis, when Linz came over, he didn't allege that you were speeding. He just said, politely, that he heard you going out, did not get a speed, but it sounded like you were taking off pretty hard and asked me to simply remind the team to keep it under 30 in the pit area. My bad if I didn't communicate that clearly. All good here.

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I've been told I have an ear for speeders, you know. :lol:

"Headly Hearing"

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Originally Posted by Sean Gurevich

Instead of a 6 hr endurance, maybe we should have 6 Team 60s in a row on Sat. Team 60 = endurance - drama. :)

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This would make for cool transitions between each T60...As soon as the clock expires, you finish your lap and do the next LeMann's start "Frogger Style".

Who's Derek Thomas?

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Originally Posted by Dennis King

Who's Derek Thomas?

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Well, he's not the Original BT Racer but he's a really close relative.... :301:

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Originally Posted by Derek Thomas

first off...anything where you ride less than an hour (individually) is no where close to being an endurance race....30 minutes is a walk in the park and hardly a warm-up for an endurance rider.

second....if a discussion to try and keep anyone safe from another persons mistakes is drama for you, then stop reading and go watch a reality TV show, that's where the drama is!

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I am apparently a sucky endurance rider. 30 Minutes still feels like a loooooong time on a bike.

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Originally Posted by Dennis King

Who's Derek Thomas?

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Running back Buffalo Bills...

John. I think it is time for your meds and a little nap.

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Originally Posted by Keith Jordan

John. I think it is time for your meds and a little nap.

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I forgot - teh gheys no nothing about football.

As a lifelong Bills fan I am ashamed... not by their inability to actually play the game any longer but by John dissing one of the teams better players....

this is Derrick Thomas

Vs. Thurman Thomas....

At least I had the right sport...back to a short nap and additional meds...:tongue:

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Originally Posted by John Redford

At least I had the right sport...back to a short nap and additional meds...:tongue:

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Originally Posted by John Redford

Running back Buffalo Bills...

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Derrick Thomas....linebaker out of Alabama(mid-late 80's), I believe, played for KC if I'm not mistaken. Car crash broke his neck and left him paralyzed. He eventually died(may he R.I.P) due to pulmonary complication r/t his paralysis. I think this is close to actual events, but I'm not googling it.

Guess I should have looked at the previous post. I forgot how good this guy was....freaking stud!

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Originally Posted by Derek Thomas

Derrick Thomas....linebaker out of Alabama(mid-late 80's), I believe, played for KC if I'm not mistaken. Car crash broke his neck and left him paralyzed. He eventually died(may he R.I.P) due to pulmonary complication r/t his paralysis. I think this is close to actual events, but I'm not googling it.

Guess I should have looked at the previous post. I forgot how good this guy was....freaking stud!

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Yes he was.... Derek and Bruce Smith made the AFC a dangerous place for Q-backs... back in the day...
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Laces out dan!!