Who's racing C super Sport BBE

So which teams plan to race C Super Sport BBE at the TWS 8-hour BBE. Looking forward to the challenge.

1. Apex Predators- (Yorke Oldfather, Paul Bradley, Jay Bullard, John McKenzie)

That looks like a formidable team! Good luck y'all!

Well.....might be changing our plans if no other team cares to join the fun.

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Originally Posted by Michael McGehee

That looks like a formidable team! Good luck y'all!

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Whole team's a class act, except that Jay guy; sounds like a dick.

<3 :wink:

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Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather

Well.....might be changing our plans if no other team cares to join the fun.

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No established team will be running that class as we all have dry breaks/quick change axles, etc. But looks like you guys are looking good for a class podium!

I'm protesting lol

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Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather

Well.....might be changing our plans if no other team cares to join the fun.

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[QUOTE=Chase Eason;325541]No established team will be running that class as we all have dry breaks/quick change axles, etc. But looks like you guys are looking good for a class podium![/QUOTe

Which team are you on?

The skidmarks

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Originally Posted by Chase Eason

The skidmarks

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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it looks like we will be racing in your class now!

Sweet, good luck at tws!

c supersport rules are STUPID... whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport. The idea is to give teams on 600s a way to compete, right? making them do it on bikes that are in no way setup for endurance racing is not the way to do it...

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

c supersport rules are STUPID... whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport. The idea is to give teams on 600s a way to compete, right? making them do it on bikes that are in no way setup for endurance racing is not the way to do it...

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You are wrong, the idea wasn't to make a new class that would be competitive for the overall. It was to lower the (perhaps perceived) barrier to entry so a group of people could get a street bike, or sprint bike, and endurance it easily (without the added expense of drybreaks or quickchange gear etc) and have a place to be competitive with each other. You can almost think if it as a beginner class for endurance racing.

it's endurance, the whole idea of endurance is to be prepared to endurance race. not having enlarged tanks, quick change axles, dry brakes etc etc completely goes against everything ever known about this type of racing. You can think what you want, and say what you want. I'll stand by my thought that it is simply geared toward trying to get more people due to the dominance of two teams for years on end now and the perceived thought that no-one else can be competitive therefore grids will decrease, etc etc

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

it's endurance, the whole idea of endurance is to be prepared to endurance race. not having enlarged tanks, quick change axles, dry brakes etc etc completely goes against everything ever known about this type of racing. You can think what you want, and say what you want. I'll stand by my thought that it is simply geared toward trying to get more people due to the dominance of two teams for years on end now and the perceived thought that no-one else can be competitive therefore grids will decrease, etc etc

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Sorry, I thought your original thought was simply

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c supersport rules are STUPID... whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport.

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You said nothing to articulate

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I'll stand by my thought that it is simply geared toward trying to get more people

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that thought in your initial post.

My apologies for missing that point. I really have no vested interest in this. I don't race BBE, I don't even ride a big bike at all. I was, however, at the open board meeting where the new class was discussed and your thought about getting more people out is spot on. Is that a bad thing? Getting more people racing? Lowering the (perceived) barrier to entry? Getting people to consider using their sprint bike to endurance on? Or their track day bike? It may work, it may not. It's an attempt to get people, some maybe newer to the sport, to try endurance racing without having to worry about trying to be competitive in the pits.

Honestly, if I had more time to devote to racing, I'd probably try to put together a team to race on my sprint bike. It's a beater '07 600RR with no fancy nothin'. All I've got to make it endurance-ready is a spare set of rims. And it sounds like that's all I'd need to be competitive in the new class.

Adding the class doesn't hurt anybody. Even if it was only added to "give someone else a chance," so what? None of us are going to parlay our CMRA results into a ride at Suzuka. The easy, "fun" classes like the Grom Challenge, Team 60, and now SSCE are very enjoyable for those of us who like to play at being a real racer a few times a year without having to break the bank or take ourselves too seriously.

I don't understand why getting a higher number of entries is a bad thing. I would think that's a good thing for the sport, but what do I know? I'm just a girl.:tongue: <-- I picked this one just because it's pink.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

c supersport rules are STUPID... whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport. The idea is to give teams on 600s a way to compete, right? allowing them do it on bikes that are in no way setup for endurance racing is not the way to do it...

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You're in luck .... participation is optional.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

c supersport rules are STUPID...

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Thanks for the input.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport.

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I do every day.

Don't you listen to him, Walter!

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Originally Posted by Alan Etheredge

You're in luck .... participation is optional.

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Given the number of "enter just one more race and that will help the club blah blah blah..." Posts we've all seen recently, posts like that don't help the reputation club officials including yourself already have. The God complex is obviously real...

Obviously having more bikes is good, I didn't mean it that way, however, having a class that is by design built to never compete, well now that is STUPID. In a 6-8 hour race, stock tank R6 is going to have what 2-4 more fuel stops? Tires stops will be of same frequency, just much much slower... Still can't touch the bike during fueling so while you're using your VP can to painfully slowly fill your stock tank, just watch the actual endurance prepped bikes put LAPS at a time on your team at each pit stop. Bike for bike on the track the SS 600 versus SB 600 bikes won't have a performance gap to speak of, we've all seen that, but in the pits it will be ridiculous.

At cresson and Hallet a front/rear change with fuel will cost you 2 laps minumum per attempt.

There are fast-fuel options for stock tanks. There are a number of little things to be done to make tire changes quicker. Most racers can barely do a tank's worth of riding. I also am suspicious that even the teams that CAN do all the fancy stuff don't. It's like with the Formula and Superbike classes on Sunday where it's pretty much the same bikes as in SS.

I don't pretend to know how this class will do, but your "statistics" are worst-case. And it's only an issue with the overall standings in a race

Lets see a new class to entince a new bread of riders....good thing. Someone who joined the forum in Jan and no race history(that I could find) who has made 17 post half of which putting down sponsors and officials......bad thing

Back to regular scheduled program

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Given the number of "enter just one more race and that will help the club blah blah blah..." Posts we've all seen recently, posts like that don't help the reputation club officials including yourself already have. The God complex is obviously real...

Obviously having more bikes is good, I didn't mean it that way, however, having a class that is by design built to never compete, well now that is STUPID. In a 6-8 hour race, stock tank R6 is going to have what 2-4 more fuel stops? Tires stops will be of same frequency, just much much slower... Still can't touch the bike during fueling so while you're using your VP can to painfully slowly fill your stock tank, just watch the actual endurance prepped bikes put LAPS at a time on your team at each pit stop. Bike for bike on the track the SS 600 versus SB 600 bikes won't have a performance gap to speak of, we've all seen that, but in the pits it will be ridiculous.

At cresson and Hallet a front/rear change with fuel will cost you 2 laps minumum per attempt.

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Here is an alternative view.

In fulfilling my Prov Nov requirements a while back, we ran an older GSXR600 with zero of the "endurance prepped" items you refer to in BBE at TWS.

We had fun, laughed our asses off, and left with a smile.

I think we all realize we aren't on a path to a Moto-GP ride, well...most of us.


BTW, "God complex"?

http://sipree.com/wp-content/uploads...ySNLImage.jpeg

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Given the number of "enter just one more race and that will help the club blah blah blah..." Posts we've all seen recently, posts like that don't help the reputation club officials including yourself already have. The God complex is obviously real...

Obviously having more bikes is good, I didn't mean it that way, however, having a class that is by design built to never compete, well now that is STUPID. In a 6-8 hour race, stock tank R6 is going to have what 2-4 more fuel stops? Tires stops will be of same frequency, just much much slower... Still can't touch the bike during fueling so while you're using your VP can to painfully slowly fill your stock tank, just watch the actual endurance prepped bikes put LAPS at a time on your team at each pit stop. Bike for bike on the track the SS 600 versus SB 600 bikes won't have a performance gap to speak of, we've all seen that, but in the pits it will be ridiculous.

At cresson and Hallet a front/rear change with fuel will cost you 2 laps minumum per attempt.

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YOU ARE WRONG! We have a quick fill that works with a stock tank, we had the front and rear as close to quick change as possible without breaking the rules. On the front we have magnets in the caliper pistons, beveled brake pads and a smaller flexible front fender. On the rear I re-engineered a wood clamp, so it captured the rear caliper and held it in place during wheel swaps. We would have lost some time to the big setups, but it wouldn't have been as bad as you would think. I didn't want to build a 7 gallon tank and put it on a bike, when only a couple of us MIGHT have been able to run it dry.

And I have to echo the thoughts of others, you have 17 posts on the forum. Are you new to the club? Your not going to make a lot of friends by attacking people the way you have so far. The idea was to get new teams involved with BBE, I liked the idea, because myself and a few guys wanted to build a team to go racing and have fun. It looked like a good first year class, with the idea of adding parts and moving up next year.

Why get involved if right from the get go you have absolutely ZERO chance of contending?

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Why get involved if right from the get go you have absolutely ZERO chance of contending?

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I suggest you re-read Staton's quote:

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Originally Posted by Staton Shed

Here is an alternative view.

In fulfilling my Prov Nov requirements a while back, we ran an older GSXR600 with zero of the "endurance prepped" items you refer to in BBE at TWS.

We had fun, laughed our asses off, and left with a smile.

I think we all realize we aren't on a path to a Moto-GP ride, well...most of us.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Why get involved if right from the get go you have absolutely ZERO chance of contending?

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That statement right there, tells me you know nothing about this sport or the people you meet while being involved in this sport. Your not even a licensed racer as far as I can tell, so I find it quite puzzling as to why your even on here? I really have nothing more to say to you on this, or anything else for that matter.

I guess we race for different reasons, I have never suited up and taken track just for fun. Rather any of us have a future in this or not, it's still competition, doing it "for fun" or half heartedly is what gets people hurt. We are way to close to the edge to be there just for fun. My opinion ofcourse, but I AM entitled to it...

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

I guess we race for different reasons, I have never suited up and taken track just for fun.

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loooooool

Racing is serious business, you know with all these full time racing contracts up for grabs and all. :doh:

I think you're the only one I can think of who doesn't have fun doing this. Again, you should reread some of these posts again and think of why that class is there to begin with.

Honestly, I'm just baffled now.

Tommy, I honestly think he is here to stir up drama within the club, nothing else. Just ignore him

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Why get involved if right from the get go you have absolutely ZERO chance of contending?

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Well, I guess I should quit all together, along with the rest of the 90% of the people who race anything who will never have a chance of putting it on the box in any class.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

I guess we race for different reasons, I have never suited up and taken track just for fun. Rather any of us have a future in this or not, it's still competition, doing it "for fun" or half heartedly is what gets people hurt. We are way to close to the edge to be there just for fun. My opinion ofcourse, but I AM entitled to it...

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There is a difference been "for fun" and "half heartedly". In fact, other then maybe 10 people who race regularly at the club level, everyone is out here to have fun. They compete, they try hard, they are not screwing around or doing anything half heartedly. They are out here having fun. I'm willing to bet even the few super fast guys that are racing at the club level and professionally are doing it for fun.


I tried to be nice but have become tired of your nonsense. You are a moron and a troll. Go away.

you fellas are way to sensitive, I mean no harm to you. I have not attacked you or called any of you any names or anything of the nature. All I am saying is that this particular class is strange to me, I get that it helps add bikes to the grid, I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in a class that will never have a chance to compete, that's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

you fellas are way to sensitive, I mean no harm to you. I have not attacked you or called any of you any names or anything of the nature. All I am saying is that this particular class is strange to me, I get that it helps add bikes to the grid, I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in a class that will never have a chance to compete, that's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

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Just for educational purposes, could you enlighten us unwashed masses of your racing resume?

I suddenly feel all inadequate and all sensitive. Maybe if I understood your high status and position in this sport, I could get a better understanding of your perception of how I'm not competing if I'm in a class on a bike that can't (or shouldn't) take the overall win (I sometimes ride a motard in SSD sprints...its the same, but different).

Thanks in advance for sharing.

There, I feel all warm and fuzzy again.

How bout you? You feeling OK? It's a wonderful day so far.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

you fellas are way to sensitive, I mean no harm to you. I have not attacked you or called any of you any names or anything of the nature. All I am saying is that this particular class is strange to me, I get that it helps add bikes to the grid, I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in a class that will never have a chance to compete, that's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

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i race an SV650 in BBE. I've even raced it in super stock B purely for fun. Shameless plug in 3-2-1...

http://youtu.be/HH2Hna5DivM

Edit: except slicks, it's super sport legal

They won't be competitive for the overall, but being it's own class they can get a class podium. If it gets more bikes on the grid, awesome.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

you fellas are way to sensitive, I mean no harm to you. I have not attacked you or called any of you any names or anything of the nature. All I am saying is that this particular class is strange to me, I get that it helps add bikes to the grid, I just don't understand why anyone would want to be in a class that will never have a chance to compete, that's all I'm saying, nothing more, nothing less.

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Well if you have 4 or more bikes within the class, they compete with each other for a, wait for it, wait for it "CLASS CHAMPIONSHIP". Very few people suit up and are competitive from the get go, most of this is learned through experience not osmosis. While everyone takes the sport serious and the things that can happen with it, pushing yourself to new highs and personal achievements with in a team, is FUN! Racing is fun, if it wasn't, not many would do it at a club level, especially with the costs involved.

But, once again, someone has asked YOU about YOUR racing experience, resume and why your here, and you still have not answered the question. I am not sensitive, I just have no time for somebody that gets on here and talks a big game and by the look of it, isn't even a part of the club. Just a troll, stirring up drama.

Personally, I'd like to do away with the over sized gas tanks, and eliminate C superstock. All teams should run a factory sized tank, but allow for quick fill options. I think that cost alone scares people away. And lets face it, having an over sized tank gives you a slight competitive edge. With a company like Fast Frank, quick change set-ups are relatively inexpensive. And like Yorke mentioned, there are plenty of options for in house fab work to help with wheels changes that don't require a lot of money. I think the gas tank rule alone would level out the playing field. Plus, it will make things more interesting with more rider changes. Just my two cents. But I really don't know a lot of about endurance racing :)

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But I really don't know a lot of about endurance racing :)

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LOL!

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Originally Posted by Staton Shed

....BTW, "God complex"?

http://sipree.com/wp-content/uploads...ySNLImage.jpeg

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Hey Staton, watch out, the guy nailed it .... I live to be the God of paper-pushing in registration and don't try to hide it.

I just wish he were right about the rest .....Lord ("I" ;-) knows it'd be a whole lot easier to run the races if all that riff-raff that isn't in it solely to compete at the highe$t level weren't hanging around clogging-things up, wasting our time having fun and enjoying the community.

:bannana: . :rofl: . :wink:

(dry sarcasm - hold the vermouth and enjoy the gin. Mmmm ;-)

well this thread is now one huge facepalm. Some people just dont get it.

I honestly don't think this guy has an understanding of the concept of classes. He keeps saying how SSC "won't be competitive." Obviously it won't be competitive against bikes with endurance tanks and dry breaks and quick change axles. That's why they're in a different class. Guys still grid up motards despite the fact that they'll never catch the top ladies on supersports. You're not necessarily competing against everyone else who's on the track at the same time as you.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

c supersport rules are STUPID... whoever thought that it was a good idea to add that as an option needs to rethink their involvement in the sport. The idea is to give teams on 600s a way to compete, right? making them do it on bikes that are in no way setup for endurance racing is not the way to do it...

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

it's endurance, the whole idea of endurance is to be prepared to endurance race. not having enlarged tanks, quick change axles, dry brakes etc etc completely goes against everything ever known about this type of racing. You can think what you want, and say what you want. I'll stand by my thought that it is simply geared toward trying to get more people due to the dominance of two teams for years on end now and the perceived thought that no-one else can be competitive therefore grids will decrease, etc etc

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

Given the number of "enter just one more race and that will help the club blah blah blah..." Posts we've all seen recently, posts like that don't help the reputation club officials including yourself already have. The God complex is obviously real...

Obviously having more bikes is good, I didn't mean it that way, however, having a class that is by design built to never compete, well now that is STUPID. In a 6-8 hour race, stock tank R6 is going to have what 2-4 more fuel stops? Tires stops will be of same frequency, just much much slower... Still can't touch the bike during fueling so while you're using your VP can to painfully slowly fill your stock tank, just watch the actual endurance prepped bikes put LAPS at a time on your team at each pit stop. Bike for bike on the track the SS 600 versus SB 600 bikes won't have a performance gap to speak of, we've all seen that, but in the pits it will be ridiculous.

At cresson and Hallet a front/rear change with fuel will cost you 2 laps minumum per attempt.

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Hi "Joseph Schmidt", of your 17-18 posts, all you have managed to say are things that are inflammatory about our racers, our sponsors, and our rules/races. You're not a club member, therefore you have no right to come in here & act like a jerk.
There is no "Joseph Schmidt" in our member, associate, or corner worker base. You're simply a plant that is here for the sole purpose of stirring up drama. I'm reporting your posts.

Hey, wait a minute y'all.
Let this "Joseph Shartmit" keep on thumb thuggin' on here.
He just needs a hug.
Group hug perhaps.

Cheers

I'm not a plant or anything of the nature, I. Simply a member of the forum expressing my opinion. I never attacked any of you (as you have done me) and have kept quiet since you all decided to come unglued. It's a simple difference of opinion, nothing more or less.

Dumping on the club we love and the staff we think does a great job is pretty aggressive. You used strong words in your disagreement from the beginning, so it got some folks riled up. It's okay to disagree, but you're right up there with Chris Coffey and Jesse Davis in your delivery. Lol

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

I'm not a plant or anything of the nature, I. Simply a member of the forum expressing my opinion. I never attacked any of you (as you have done me) and have kept quiet since you all decided to come unglued. It's a simple difference of opinion, nothing more or less.

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Joseph you posted negative comments in a thread started by our Dunlop vendor, you basically called our Race Director and BOD stupid, you accused one of the nicest officials there is of having a "god complex" and in not so many words flipped off anyone who was thinking of running in the new endurance class.

What you don't know is we love our vendors, officials and racers. They are our friends, family and race support group. While we may at times be slightly dysfunctional we like what we do and how we do it, and perhaps contrary to your belief for fun. Which by the way is not dangerous, having fun is fun. You should try it

Feel free to express opinions and thoughts but do it respectfully and in the manner in which you would like to be treated.

Now, who is running in the new endurance class besides Yorke

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

I'm not a plant or anything of the nature, I. Simply a member of the forum expressing my opinion. I never attacked any of you (as you have done me) and have kept quiet since you all decided to come unglued. It's a simple difference of opinion, nothing more or less.

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lol. Go away troll.

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Now, who is running in the new endurance class besides Yorke

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We are putting parts back on the bike and moving up to one of the Super bike classes. If 3 or 4 other teams would have shown interest or pledged to be a part of it, we were actually ready to go for that class. Being the only team in a class is no fun, so it is what it is.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Schmidt

I have never suited up...

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Duh.

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Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather

We are putting parts back on the bike and moving up to one of the Super bike classes. If 3 or 4 other teams would have shown interest or pledged to be a part of it, we were actually ready to go for that class. Being the only team in a class is no fun, so it is what it is.

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Too bad really