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I recived an email this afternoon from TWS Management stating that effective today all track activities have ceased. The speedway will become a storage area for flooded out cars and trucks from the Houston area.
We are actively seeking an alternate date at our other tracks. More to come as things develope.
Buzz kill...lol
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Nola, Nola, Nola!!!!
Yes!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
Thanks for the update.
If that place wasn't a superfund site before, now they are going to store who knows how many rusted out cars there. Seriously, who would ever live there?
Thank you. Please don't leave us hanging. Specifically on the BBE final round.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
Alternate date or an alternate location on the same date as the currently scheduled TWS round?Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
I am sure that is part of the working on it part
Nothing is off the table at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steven Smith
Heartland Park....brand new asphalt! Seriously, hope you find us a track Walter, good hunting.
Heartland park would be awesome. Cota would be better.
Barber! Barber! Barber!
As much as I love being out there, I think only another track on that date should be an option, for the same reason that it wasn't feasible to swap the BBE and LWE endurance rounds. It wouldn't be fair to those in the points chase who were unable to change their vacation dates on this short of notice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
And just for the record, not complaining about the endurance thing as I only do sprints. It thought it was both a valid question (that probably should have been asked right when the schedule came out) and a valid response from the CMRA.
They are book solid. https://www.barberracingevents.com/calendar.php?indyQuote:
Originally Posted by Yorke Oldfather
I would love it if we could go to HPT!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ken Mathews
There are very few places this even has a possibility of working.
1. ECR is a possibility but would need some work on the pavement to be raceable in my opinion. The date could be available and it is the right location to take the place of TWS.
2. Harris Hill is a possibility. It may be a tight fit but could work in a pinch. The date is already a motorcycle weekend. The track is bumpy but not much more so than much of what we are already racing on. It is most certainly worth the consideration.
3. Arroyo Seco is a possibility. It is a long drive. The weather is almost always perfect. The locals from the ASMA may choose to put a team or 2 together and the fresh competition would be very interesting. It may or may not be possible.
4. Hallett shows to have October 2-3 available. This is an outside chance.
5. Heartland Park isn't even keeping up with their schedule. It would require somebody contacting them to see if there is any possibility or availability. This would be a fantastic replacement but again, many will complain about the drive.
A last minute opportunity at COTA, NOLA, Barber, Etc. is extremely unlikely.
There are no perfect answers here. There will be people upset no matter what choice is made by those who pull the strings.
I personally would like to start with Harris Hill. It makes the most sense and has the highest propensity for success in my book.
RIP TWS 09-01-17
We need T-shirts!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael Klesel
As someone who's been to H2R quite a bit (just barely not enough for membership to make financial sense), I think the odds of us racing there are basically zero. Even if facilities were not a concern (and they absolutely are - very little paddock space, 1 bathroom), the membership doesn't want big club races there, period. And as the CMRA, our reputation would precede us... many members there are aware of the typical mess left behind by CMRA events, and they don't want that. They have a nice little clubhouse with rocking chairs on the porch and leather sofas in the living room. How long do you think those would hold up during a typical CMRA weekend?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sean Brown
How many years has ECR said they'd be ready? What kind of circus they running?
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Really? The last 3 rounds, I've been one of the last people to leave and the paddocks are clean. I actually made a comment leaving the last round (Cresson) about how nice the paddocks looked after a race weekend. Do some people leave take offs, empty race fuel cans and trash? Yes. Does the CMRA get this stuff picked up before they leave? Absolutely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Carter Rossner
I think the CMRA has a pretty good reputation with all the tracks.
Walter (or anyone else for that matter),
Curious to know what it would take to make the 3.1 at Cresson rideable. It has some neat features but clearly lacks some runoff in a few areas.
I'd be willing to sacrifice a weekend if it meant clearing out some of the runoff areas. This is certainly not a solution for this year but perhaps the future.
Thanks!
Joe, have you ever walked the 1.3? The runoff there is scary! After I walked it, I wish I hadn't and was still able to race in my ignorant bliss of not knowing impending doom is so close.
H2R would be a disaster due to facilities and paddock size. The entire paddock is about the size of cressons skid pad. Think we need more than available. Maybe in the future
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I don't think there's a good option that shines above everything else that will make everyone happy, which is a tough situation for the CMRA.
Hopefully we can find a track that works for everyone, and the schedule can continue as planned. However, if a track becomes available but it ends up being something that the majority of BBE teams can't make due to schedule, one idea I had was to make the 9th round something like we did a couple years ago with a non-points paying shootout round, and no endurance.
To keep the endurance championship for both series going, we could split the 6 hour at MSRH into two 3 or 4 hour events, one for each series. This would allow both series to have equal time, and a sacrifice from both series on time, so as to not favor one over the other. I know this would bring up the schedule and vacation days again for BBE teams that hadn't planned on going to Houston, but hopefully with it being a couple of months away, there would be time to plan and prepare.
This is an unfortunate turn of events for the club that was totally out of our control, and I hope we can find something that is accommodating.
I would agree this makes the most sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Harvey
ECR it isn't any less bumpy than TWS was!
Just want to express an advance 'vote of confidence' for Walter and the BoD, whatever they manage to come up with in response to this less-than-timely disruption to the 2017 season.
It's been a long trail of uncertainty for years regarding TWS, and while I know Walter and the BoD have been seriously thinking about and discussing 'contingencies' for all that time, it's also been impossible for them to make a firm specific fall-back plan due to that same uncertainty.
I'm betting that even they will feel that the outcome is a 'best compromise', not the 'ideal' they'd have preferred if given more timely notice.
Unlikely that everyone can be made truly happy, but hopefully all members will accept that whatever the decision, Walter and the BoD we elected to deal with these difficult issues will have found the least compromising response given everything it's their responsibility to consider.
Thanks Walter and Directors for doing the hard and unenviable job. :hail: :thumb:
Any chance we could do a 4 day weekend at MSRH? Thursday practice, Friday (big or little bike) endurance, Saturday (big or little bike) endurance and Sunday's sprints? Honestly, after traveling to Hallett, I'd be okay with nixing the TWS weekend all together. I think it would give a lot more people some breathing room to recover financially.
Take the money you were gonna spend on Tws and buy the Thursday at MSRH. Assuming that day is available and I would think it would be cheaper to buy one day than a whole weekend at TWS. maybe do select sprints both Friday and Saturday that would pay out with the money not being spent at world. Just a thought.
i know Walter and the BOD are on it, just hope we get to race again and don't lose contingency $ from manufactures. And I hope we all remember this isn't TMRA ;)
Thursday's are member days at MSRH, zero chance they will be able to give that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo Contreras
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Originally Posted by Joseph Caruso
Im with you on that! Id come out one weekend to help make it safer!
Lets say they gave us that Thursday. Would it be viable? And would the club members be interested in that format? I don't want to build false hope, but I think it's something worth looking in to.Quote:
Originally Posted by Walter Walker
Jeremy, I have ridden it several times. Not on a 250 and it never scared me. However, riding it on a member day and riding it in a race is certainly different. You certainly enter Ricochet going a hell of a lot faster than the 1.7. Agree, runoff areas need improvement. However, some of the elevation changes and blind corners are a ton of fun! Maybe my self preservation function is set lower than yours. I've seen what living forever looks like and it's not all it's cracked up to be. [emoji4]Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Harvey
Just curious if there's a work around for it.
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Joe, not ridden it...walked it. Have you had a chance to walk the track and take a look at the runoff areas and what what they look like? That's my concern. Big drop offs, lots of rocks, lots of big rocks, etc. Agree, trying to find a work around is something to be considered.
I like Alonzo's idea, maybe Team60 and Solo30's Fri and Sat.
Yes Jeremy, I have and I agree with you. Thats why I also mentioned it with the intent of what it would take to prepare for next year. And having looked at it both ways, walking and riding, and having attended multiple track days as well as race days to the point of nausea I was curious as to what it would take to prepare it to make it useable AND add variety. Maybe this didn't come across well with my New York accent. :-)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Harvey
Geeze, you folks on the board just don't listen to the membership. More concerned with the use of the BoD jet, banning the chicken song at Hallet (in favor!), not smiling at the members, and all those other perks (ZERO).
Anyway, as far as viewing the track and its runoff areas, I prefer the ignorance of speed. Ciao!
The 1.3 at MSR is not an option.
My top 5 sports fantasies:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustin Dominguez
1) barely losing to John McGuiness at IoM, but only because I lost 0.15s having to save the Mother-of-All tank slappers, after coming over that one hill (with high-speed video captured and posted on YouTube)
2) hitting a homerun in the old Yankee Stadium and doing the perfect bat-flip that starts a bench clearing brawl
3) getting caught by the paparazzi with Maria Sharipova, and then getting called out by TMZ as her "new Old Guy love toy"
4) knowing what a 1:15.1 at Cresson would even feel like
5) being bummed that TWS closed because it could mean I would probably lose contingency $'s
Since we're pipe dreaming in here, obviously, I like the idea of a one off event somewhere we've not been. Like, a consolation prize for losing tws?
Ecr sucks.
Harris hill is a joke.
Heartland park would be cool
Colorado?
Nola?
Mexico?
Chuckwalla? ��
I am racing an SV at High Plains Raceway (MRA) at the end of the month. Track looks fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesse Davis
I'm a member at Harris Hill, it just wouldn't work :( It just doesn't have the amenities to accommodate CMRA. I wish it did......it's close by and I know the track so well!!! ;)
Less amenities than Oak Hill?Quote:
Originally Posted by Christopher Simmons
Someone said it earlier, imagine trying to get everyone that shows up for a race day into an area smaller than the skid pad at Cresson. That is also split across two levels, so not one continuous patch of asphalt. It can get kind-of packed on a busy member day, so it's almost comical trying to image what the CMRA would look like there. I really wish that it was, but it's just not feasible. Again, not to mention that the owner/members of the track most likely wouldn't want us there to begin with. There is no benefit to the track if you really think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Josh Henke
Alonzo, to accommodate your idea without kyboshing (sp?) those of us who don't endurance or small bike (read: have any Saturday activity at track) but have specified days off from work, how about missed endurance teams add either Thusday or Monday for their missed TWS activities, that's not a practice day option for a lot of us as suggested....otherwise, those of us who practice Fridays, sprint Sundays would both add another work day missed plus 2 days between practice and Sunday sprints, or have to skip practice....and seeing how this is an "endurance issue" then let the extra day(s) be a stretch for them vs EVERYBODY having to stretch. Hope this makes sense as well as adds additional option (Monday vs Thursday)?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo Contreras
Fox, my idea was based solely on the fact that the TWS date would go away completely and not trying to find a fill in for that weekend. If we went forward with the idea, then you would no longer have to take that Friday off, thus giving you a PTO day that wasn't used and could be transferred to the four day weekend. It's far enough down the road that anyone could request a change in days off. And for the Thursday through Sunday activities, we could throw in some one off big bike sprints before the mini round and have the mini sprints before the big bike round. Kind of like WERA does on their national weekends.
Because I'm a visual person, here's what I would imagine a schedule could look like.
Thursday
-regular practice schedule
Friday
-regular Saturday morning sprints (or shootout sprints)
-6 hour endurance
Saturday
-Shootout sprints (or regular Saturday morning sprints)
-6 hour endurance
Sunday
-regular sprint schedule
Yeah, that's what I pictured, it isn't exchange of PTO, it's an extra work day in a row, I was suggesting F-S stays same, Monday morning is endurance practice and 6 hr endurance race...only folks that stay extra half day, or come up late Sunday are those who missed endurance rd at TWS...that way only peeps that add extra day off is endurance teams, not everybody. I can say I understand what your wanting, but I'm also hearing Walter say no chance of a Thursday, so I'm offering a solution that may have traction for you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alonzo Contreras
maybe it's already been discussed, but what about trying the same schedule Alonzo proposes for Houston, at Hallett..... and not worrying about TWS and if Houston will be race-able...and everyone can take off the season early! Probably doesn't work well for the CMRA books, but I'm game!
Does that work out right....you'd get all BBE and ULWE rounds in and call it a double points weekend for sprints. Am I missing anyone(racing) here?