2018 Championship Endurance Format

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11-04-2017, 02:55 PM
Walter Walker

2018 Championship Endurance Format

After quite a bit of brainstorming and discussion this is what we have come up with for the 2018 Championship Endurance series.

The current classes and rules will remain unchanged for 2018.

There will be four 4Hr races and one 6Hr race.

We will be adding a new division for teams of up to 4 riders and 4 machines.

The classes in this new division will be HW/MW/LW.

The largest displacement machine on the team will determine the class that the team must enter.

Each team will use one transponder. The transponder must be moved to the next machine at each rider/machine change. (There will be no protests for failing to swap the transponder) There will be no limit on the number of rider /machine changes during a race.

Machines on each team must have the same team number on the front only. (Plate and number color TBA)

All endurance pit stop and fueling rules will apply.

This new division will have its own overall and class championships
11-04-2017, 03:30 PM
Yorke Oldfather

I really appreciate you getting this out today, your timing couldn't be any better. LOL! We are meeting in an hour to organize our team for next year and put a proposal together for a prospective sponsor.
11-04-2017, 06:50 PM
Ken Mathews

Sounds like a fun new class. I'm a little bummed about the loss of big bike T60, but we'll adjust.
11-04-2017, 07:54 PM
Chris Fields

2018 Championship Endurance Format

Question about the new division.

Will those multi-bike teams be allowed to work on or refuel bikes behind the wall while one of their other bikes is on track?

Seems allowing that would alleviate the need for special quick change and refuel mods. The only pit time lost for those teams would be with the swapping of the transponder (passing the baton).

This could be interesting. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.
11-04-2017, 10:46 PM
Andy Gilliland

I've been saying (mostly to myself) that this is the way to save BBE...basically a longer format Team 60. I love it!
11-04-2017, 11:05 PM
Steven Smith

I'm wondering since it will be an additional class:

- Will it pull from the existing teams, or even more so, multiple teams since an existing team may not have 4 riders that all have race bikes of that class

- Will it bring in new blood with a group of riders that were uncomfortable riding someone else's bike?

In the case of LW, I don't know if there are that many other SV owners to be able to make very many teams without pulling owners from existing teams.
11-05-2017, 12:33 AM
Danny Dominguez

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Originally Posted by Chris Fields

Question about the new division.

Will those multi-bike teams be allowed to work on or refuel bikes behind the wall while one of their other bikes is on track?

Seems allowing that would alleviate the need for special quick change and refuel mods. The only pit time lost for those teams would be with the swapping of the transponder (passing the baton).

This could be interesting. Looking forward to seeing how this plays out.

Pretty simple, all they have to do is move the transponder from one bike to the next, please don't get hung up on "pit time lost" , for now this class will not be scored in the BBE for overall points....just points for its own class, just run with BBE.. Roll a full fuel tanked bike onto hot pit and put tire warmers on it as close to the edge as you can get and wait! ha
11-05-2017, 12:36 AM
Danny Dominguez

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Gilliland

I've been saying (mostly to myself) that this is the way to save BBE...basically a longer format Team 60. I love it!

Thanks on behalf of all that gave ideas and gave input...and for being open minded enough to give it a shot.
11-05-2017, 12:41 AM
Danny Dominguez

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Originally Posted by Steven Smith

I'm wondering since it will be an additional class:

- Will it pull from the existing teams, or even more so, multiple teams since an existing team may not have 4 riders that all have race bikes of that class

- Will it bring in new blood with a group of riders that were uncomfortable riding someone else's bike?

In the case of LW, I don't know if there are that many other SV owners to be able to make very many teams without pulling owners from existing teams.

I /we don't know the answer to question 1 yet..its a max of 4 riders, can be 2 can be 3...biggest displacement bike on the team deternibs class entry (rider A has sv650.rider B has Gsxr1000, rider C has a 600 the team is an unlimited entrty,,,,,Question 2 hopefully....I can see teams actually using take offs for this to save money, most bikes will only do 40-45mins on a standard tank....lw teams may want to just stay the normal course of BBE.
11-05-2017, 09:29 AM
Will Zamora

I like the idea of this format a lot and already thinking of putting something together,

I’m curious to see the rules of where the team’s bikes are placed during the race. Thanks for making the change and look forward to the schedule .
11-05-2017, 12:05 PM
Kasey Lewis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will Zamora

I like the idea of this format a lot and already thinking of putting something together,

I’m curious to see the rules of where the team’s bikes are placed during the race. Thanks for making the change and look forward to the schedule .

It's not like we're hurting for grid space in the BBE. ULW is crowded to the gills. There should be plenty of room for multiple bikes to stage. I'd just rotate out of the pits like Danny said. One out, one on hot pit, the others in their pits.

I like this new format!
11-05-2017, 10:08 PM
Bryan Hodges

I like the idea! This sounds like a great way to reinvent the BBE.
11-05-2017, 10:24 PM
Jesse Davis

Hah!
11-06-2017, 08:47 AM
Yorke Oldfather

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kasey Lewis

It's not like we're hurting for grid space in the BBE. ULW is crowded to the gills. There should be plenty of room for multiple bikes to stage. I'd just rotate out of the pits like Danny said. One out, one on hot pit, the others in their pits.

I like this new format!

And now that TWS is gone, all the pits have speed restrictions. It was crazy coming into the pits at TWS during BBE.
11-06-2017, 01:31 PM
Ted Phillips

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy Gilliland

I've been saying (mostly to myself) that this is the way to save BBE...basically a longer format Team 60. I love it!

seconded, brilliant!
11-07-2017, 10:14 AM
Bill Klindworth

Very interesting......!!!
11-08-2017, 08:07 PM
John McKenzie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walter Walker

After quite a bit of brainstorming and discussion this is what we have come up with for the 2018 Championship Endurance series.

The current classes and rules will remain unchanged for 2018.

There will be four 4Hr races and one 6Hr race.
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Walter, love the new changes! Will the Ultra-Lightweight Endurance race lengths remain unchanged (four 6Hr races and one 8Hr race)?
11-10-2017, 12:45 PM
John Orchard

As Danny said, thanks to all who brain stormed and provided input and for keeping an open mind. This really plays off of the success ease of participation that the T60 demonstrated. This should also be fun and easy with a bit more track time and at additional rounds.
11-10-2017, 06:23 PM
Carl Price

This sounds fun!
11-16-2017, 11:20 AM
Andy Galindo

Awesome! Good to see that hashing things out on the forum has helped.
Will be interesting to see how it pans out. Long live BBE!
11-18-2017, 12:35 PM
Dennis King

So you basically made race practice an official thing. I remember doing this but the machine limitations and long races capped who all would/could pay for a 6-8hr race for practice. This should be a huge benefit to riders who can't take of fridays to ride. Apparently, before I was born, that's how people practiced was by entering endurance.