Hand/finger safety?

I lowsided at MSRH last month and broke a tendon in my finger, got what's called "mallet finger", needed surgery and still in a splint for 8 weeks which almost took me out for the season. I was very lucky nothing else broke. Simple injury, but expensive and long recovery.

Question for the racers, do you use anything else other than gloves to protect your hands? I was thinking like how boxers tape their fingers/wrists. I've also heard to make fists when you crash and hold your arms to your chest.

On the topic of hands, time for new gloves. What are recommendations on the best protective gloves? Prefer safety vs. feel at this point.

thanks,
Jason

I don't know that theres much more you can do. I try to pull my hands and arms in to my chest and make fists when I fall and try not to "break" the fall. You can usually do this when you low side. High side not so much.

There are "air bag gloves" out there although I have zero experience with them. Alpinestars have a little leather bridge between the fourth and fifth fingers which seems to help. Gauntlet style gloves are whats required and a plastic/pvu wrist cover should be the standard. I have worn Knox Handroid and Taichi gloves and they've all worked well. Some times you're just not lucky.

My 02. cents.

Speedy recovery!

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Originally Posted by Joseph Caruso

I don't know that theres much more you can do. I try to pull my hands and arms in to my chest and make fists when I fall and try not to "break" the fall. You can usually do this when you low side. High side not so much.

There are "air bag gloves" out there although I have zero experience with them. Alpinestars have a little leather bridge between the fourth and fifth fingers which seems to help. Gauntlet style gloves are whats required and a plastic/pvu wrist cover should be the standard. I have worn Knox Handroid and Taichi gloves and they've all worked well. Some times you're just not lucky.

My 02. cents.

Speedy recovery!

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Thanks, airbag gloves.. interesting, will have to check that out and also the Handroids. Speaking of airbags, I was wearing the Alpinestars tech-air suit and the airbag did NOT deploy even though I went down at 58mph (sugar & spice). I sent the crash telemetry/video to Alpinestars and they said the suit worked as designed, only goes off in high sides, so I'm switching to the Helite tethered vest to be safe.

After I had a hand injury I bought the handriods, I have yet to test them out, but be prepared to invest time for break in and they are a pain to get over your hand if your hand is meaty. I prefer the protection over the dexterity myself, after the crash. Most gloves can only protect so much vs what you really need.

Airbag vest worked like it supposed to, why switch?

We have been currently testing our newest glove the AGVSPORT Ascari. Will be available soon.

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

Thanks, airbag gloves.. interesting, will have to check that out and also the Handroids. Speaking of airbags, I was wearing the Alpinestars tech-air suit and the airbag did NOT deploy even though I went down at 58mph (sugar & spice). I sent the crash telemetry/video to Alpinestars and they said the suit worked as designed, only goes off in high sides, so I'm switching to the Helite tethered vest to be safe.

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I've been off my bike with the air bag suit and it was a low side and didn't go off as well. I still think it's the best system. If you have any questions, reach out to Garet Tomlinson. He is a an Alpinestars reprensentative as well as a former CMRA racer and the son of Harry Tomlinson. I'm sure Harry could put you in touch with him via email. Harry's contact info is on the main page under BoD members.

I haven't 'tested' the handroids, but I have worn them for a couple sessions. I have Held Titans and I feel like the protection of those is a little more robust. Especially the padding in the wrist area. I have crash tested those, multiple times, and they have worked great for me. The only thing I ever had to get repaired was the stitching around one of the palm sliders after a very long slide from a 130mph low side. And it probably would've been fine without it. I also wore the Racer High Speed gloves which aren't in the same category as the Titans or Handroids, but the price (they're cheaper) reflects that.

Interesting point about the suit not inflating during a low-side. I suppose that makes sense for a non-tethered system as it might be hard to tell the difference between a low-side and just normal riding, normal for us anyway. I'm like you, however, and think I would prefer something that always goes off. I always wear a Leatt neck brace which I feel I would have to give up if I went with an air bag system.

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Originally Posted by Joseph Caruso

I've been off my bike with the air bag suit and it was a low side and didn't go off as well. I still think it's the best system. If you have any questions, reach out to Garet Tomlinson. He is a an Alpinestars reprensentative as well as a former CMRA racer and the son of Harry Tomlinson. I'm sure Harry could put you in touch with him via email. Harry's contact info is on the main page under BoD members.

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Lol, Garet is the one who analyzed my crash, very professional and responsive. No question Alpinestars has great customer service.

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

I haven't 'tested' the handroids, but I have worn them for a couple sessions. I have Held Titans and I feel like the protection of those is a little more robust. Especially the padding in the wrist area. I have crash tested those, multiple times, and they have worked great for me. The only thing I ever had to get repaired was the stitching around one of the palm sliders after a very long slide from a 130mph low side. And it probably would've been fine without it. I also wore the Racer High Speed gloves which aren't in the same category as the Titans or Handroids, but the price (they're cheaper) reflects that.

Interesting point about the suit not inflating during a low-side. I suppose that makes sense for a non-tethered system as it might be hard to tell the difference between a low-side and just normal riding, normal for us anyway. I'm like you, however, and think I would prefer something that always goes off. I always wear a Leatt neck brace which I feel I would have to give up if I went with an air bag system.

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Interesting, but does that interfere with your body position at lean/tuck or how does it work?

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

Interesting, but does that interfere with your body position at lean/tuck or how does it work?

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I have never had an issue with it. In full tuck, it was a bit of an adjustment at first as it would hit the gas tank, but I was able to scoot my butt back more and it doesn't affect me anymore. I tried the EVS foam brace first and hated it, couldn't turn my head, etc, but the Leatt brace I've never had an issue with. There's even a newer version of mine that's geared more to the riding that we do that is supposed to be even less invasive, but like I said, I've never had an issue and I can almost guarantee it saved me from a broken collar bone in that same low side I mentioned earlier. If you're ever at a ridesmart day in houston (except the one in october) or CotA, you can feel free to borrow it for a session. They're about $500, so I can understand wanting to try it out before you buy it.

not sure if these links will work for you, one is a better shot of the device itself, the other is just showing i dont have any issues turning my head at lean. I literally forget its on.
https://scontent.fftw1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...38&oe=5C281305
https://scontent.fftw1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...9f&oe=5C347DDB

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

Interesting, but does that interfere with your body position at lean/tuck or how does it work?

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I also wear the Leatt RR Brace (forgot to wear at hallett this last weekend) Never had a problem with movement. I also think it saved both collar bones (broke the brace) in a crash at the first event of 2017. I have been looking at the air bag suits and agree with Cody. You will have to give up the brace to wear the air bag vest. On thing you cannot do very well with brace is look behind you. But we should not do that anyways :)

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Originally Posted by Dewayne Davis

I also wear the Leatt RR Brace (forgot to wear at hallett this last weekend) Never had a problem with movement. I also think it saved both collar bones (broke the brace) in a crash at the first event of 2017. I have been looking at the air bag suits and agree with Cody. You will have to give up the brace to wear the air bag vest. On thing you cannot do very well with brace is look behind you. But we should not do that anyways :)

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Cody never has anyone behind him anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cody Stewart

I have never had an issue with it. In full tuck, it was a bit of an adjustment at first as it would hit the gas tank, but I was able to scoot my butt back more and it doesn't affect me anymore. I tried the EVS foam brace first and hated it, couldn't turn my head, etc, but the Leatt brace I've never had an issue with. There's even a newer version of mine that's geared more to the riding that we do that is supposed to be even less invasive, but like I said, I've never had an issue and I can almost guarantee it saved me from a broken collar bone in that same low side I mentioned earlier. If you're ever at a ridesmart day in houston (except the one in october) or CotA, you can feel free to borrow it for a session. They're about $500, so I can understand wanting to try it out before you buy it.

not sure if these links will work for you, one is a better shot of the device itself, the other is just showing i dont have any issues turning my head at lean. I literally forget its on.
https://scontent.fftw1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...38&oe=5C281305
https://scontent.fftw1-1.fna.fbcdn.n...9f&oe=5C347DDB

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thanks, I may take you up on that, will have to be next season as Oct is last trackday. And nice shot at TWS, wheelie hill!

If you didn't before get gloves with the KNOX palm sliders. RACER GLOVES, RS TAICHI etc etc have them too. The palm sliders help save so much and keep your momentum moving forward. I have tested 2 different pairs/brands with the same KNOX sliders multiple times. Both gloves held up to several crashes before needing repair or replacement. If you can get ones with the pinky and ringer finger attached. I had a pair of gloves that didn't have that once. I never had an issue but my suit needed repair so I had them connected just like some of the other models went i sent the suit off. Hardly cost anything since I was having the other work done anyway.

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Cody never has anyone behind him anyway.

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Lies. I get lapped frequently.

But I instruct with my Leatt on and don't really have a huge issue looking back, but as mentioned, it's not something you should really be doing on a track anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

thanks, I may take you up on that, will have to be next season as Oct is last trackday. And nice shot at TWS, wheelie hill!

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Leatt actually shared that picture on their FB page a while back, I was stoked! haha. It's my only good wheelie picture there. I can't wheelie :( But we can for sure meet up next season and you can see how you like it.
-Cody

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

thanks, I may take you up on that, will have to be next season as Oct is last trackday. And nice shot at TWS, wheelie hill!

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Jason,
FYI Anthony Hill has a new in the box brace for sale in the for sale section. Might hit him up I think he is asking 425.00 for it. But I also understand trying it before you buy. I did the same thing :)

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Originally Posted by Dewayne Davis

Jason,
FYI Anthony Hill has a new in the box brace for sale in the for sale section. Might hit him up I think he is asking 425.00 for it. But I also understand trying it before you buy. I did the same thing :)

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Thanks, I'm assuming you either wear the airbag or brace, not both, right?

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Originally Posted by Jason Chahin

Thanks, I'm assuming you either wear the airbag or brace, not both, right?

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I wear the brace. But I am thinking about upgrading to the airvest. Not sure yet..

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Originally Posted by Dewayne Davis

I wear the brace. But I am thinking about upgrading to the airvest. Not sure yet..

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Advantage of the brace is it will work 100% of the time, the airbag can malfunction or the AI decides not to fire squibs.

Was watching Motogp this weekend and caught a glimpse of Dani putting tape on his hands. Anyone know what that's for? Is it for preventing injury or is it that kinetic tape stuff to help with grip?

https://i.postimg.cc/mgwbGmZK/cap0013.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/qv0kYPr8/cap0014.jpg

probably for blisters

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Originally Posted by Brandon Orr

probably for blisters

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Coincidentally, I had my first physical therapy session this morning now that the pin from my finger was removed (just in time for Oct 26 race weekend), and I showed the PT the motogp picture. He said, "that's for protecting the A1/A2 flexor pulleys". He said the finger is like a fishing pole and instead of rings we have sheaths which can break during intense gripping force causing a "bowstring" injury. He said the tape is common with rock climbers and football players but he recognized it in Dani's picture too, specially the thumb.



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When I saw it, it reminded me of these.

https://riskracing.com/pages/palm-protectors

I would get blisters at the base of my fingers and these would help prevent that.
It could be what you are describing though.

Jason C I have an alpinestars tech-air and I low sided at CW MSRC in rattle snack the last right before the left on to the straight to big ben. My tech-air says it went off and the data says it did but I wasn't sure but not sure if I was just rattled and didn't realize it went off. I was not hurt.