Supermoto in CMRA Practice

Asking here incase another Supermoto-riding chap is thinking the same.

If I turned up on a Supermoto for a laugh and rode up into the lightweight classes, D Superstock, F2, where would a Supermoto practice - in heavyweight or ULW? The club made the change last year to move Lightweight bikes - SV's up into Heavyweight practice / Expert/Novice.

Supermoto won't keep up with an SV in the straights, not even close, but it has more power to weight ratio than a ninja 400.

I'm not suggesting we bring back a class for these bikes, just want to know where they would fit in practice sessions. I'm not thinking it's safe to put a bike slower than an SV in with heavyweight bikes, and I'm sure those on a 200hp bike would rather not be coming up on bike topping out not much over 100mph.

500gp and 500 superbike legal (for now) is what Walter said. I would think it would practice with those bikes...

Are you bringing yours?

I was rereading that thread now - http://www.cmraracing.com/showthread...-clarifiaction

Rule book has:
500 GP (Expert/Novice)
Up to 500cc 4-stroke twins, based on GP rules
Must be based on US Production Machines
500 Superbike, 500 Superstock (Expert/Novice)
Up to 500cc 4-stroke twins
250 Superbike machines allowed in both classes

So, no singles per rule book...but sounds like Walter made an exception for Round 1 based on that forum post, I think? I'm fine if Supermoto is only allowed to ride-up on the twin classes, ie SV classes, just don't really think it's safe to be practicing on a supermoto with 60hp (if yer lucky) against 200hp bikes.

That’s correct. Well give it a try and see how it goes. Final decision after the first round.

Apparently there are no rules, so just build your bikes as much as you can. May the richest pockets win! That sounds like fun. Don’t worry about me, I’m not wasting my time or money this year.

Craig, it’s an expensive sport so there’s always going to be a bit of that. Superstock classes I believe are meant to level the playing field. What is more important is that our class structure evolves to meet the market demand, which the club has made progress on. Director of Competition simply can’t make everyone happy but acts in the best interests of the sport IMO.

I asked a question about Supermoto class eligibility, the class was killed because grids averaged at 2 bikes per race and that’s a good thing.


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Originally Posted by Craig T. Hasselman

Apparently there are no rules, so just build your bikes as much as you can. May the richest pockets win! That sounds like fun. Don’t worry about me, I’m not wasting my time or money this year.

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Craig,

Your post seems a bit out of the blue and out of context with the question above. Help me understand what's got you knotted up.

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Originally Posted by Walter Walker

Craig,

Your post seems a bit out of the blue and out of context with the question above. Help me understand what's got you knotted up.

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Sorry Walter. I guess I’m just bummed out that I can’t race this season. It is what it is. Maybe I’m just jelly. Best of luck to everyone this year. Go fast and don’t crash.

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Originally Posted by Rab McNaught

Rule book has:
500 GP (Expert/Novice)
Up to 500cc 4-stroke twins, based on GP rules
Must be based on US Production Machines
500 Superbike, 500 Superstock (Expert/Novice)
Up to 500cc 4-stroke twins
250 Superbike machines allowed in both classes

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Did anyone show up with a built Aprilia sxv450?

I've never ridden a race prepped 500 but going from the specs the SXV450 could be competitive in 500gp.

allowing a single, new or old, in the right configuration...it will have a significant advantage on paper. weight, hp, etc...etc... As much as things change, they stay the same. I'm am uncertain how many bikes I have seen try and be "indexed" into a class to then be kicked out. They seems to last the season and win...I can think of one that clearly should have never been allowed while I was accused of whining, etc...etc...for the bike to win a Championship, then be ruled illegal for the class the very next year. Yes, Walter has a tough job deciding what's right and wrong for some of the classes, but sometimes it's ok to say no and sometimes it's a no brainer.

I rode the piss out of my 450 this past weekend. Best I could do was crash out of 3rd. I’m buying a ninja 400!

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I rode the piss out of my 450 this past weekend. Best I could do was crash out of 3rd. I’m buying a ninja 400!

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I know a team that might have a slot open on one ! ha

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Originally Posted by Derek Thomas

allowing a single, new or old, in the right configuration...it will have a significant advantage on paper. weight, hp, etc...etc... As much as things change, they stay the same. I'm am uncertain how many bikes I have seen try and be "indexed" into a class to then be kicked out. They seems to last the season and win...I can think of one that clearly should have never been allowed while I was accused of whining, etc...etc...for the bike to win a Championship, then be ruled illegal for the class the very next year. Yes, Walter has a tough job deciding what's right and wrong for some of the classes, but sometimes it's ok to say no and sometimes it's a no brainer.

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Derek Thomas Whining? That is crazy talk!I will pray for you right after the National Athem is played.

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Derek Thomas Whining? That is crazy talk!I will pray for you right after the National Athem is played.

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troublemaker!

To follow up on this. The Supermotards seemed to be a reasonable fit in the 500 classes at MSRH.

I feel like 450cc singles in Motard trim will be the limit on what we will allow to run with the 500s though.

Can you clarify which 500 classes the motards can enter? If I have a 1998 motard could I enter 500 classic, 500 ss, 500 sb, and 500gp?

I would think all those classes besides superstock as the wheels are aftermarket I’m assuming?

Sorry, I'm still not clear on this.

Just want to confirm that a 2019 Husqvarna FS450 would be eligible to compete in 500 Superstock, as well as 500GP.

In case of bike above, it has stock wheels as the FS450 is a factory built supermoto, which wouldn't be the case for most Supermoto bikes. In the thread, it was discussed that Supermoto would only be allowed in 500 Superbike, but there are some later posts talking about "500 classes". I'm not sure if the aftermarket wheels was the distinction here.

For what it's worth, at MSRH, FS450 was about even with a stock Ninja 400 as far as straight line speed. It's likely the fastest stock supermoto you can buy without making it into a timebomb. The Ninja would pull a supermoto by the end of the MSRH straight, but were about the same up to the end - I'm guessing that's aerodynamics kicking in at that point, or a combination of a better air intake and aerodynamics.

63hp! Yikes! That thing is a monster...

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63hp! Yikes! That thing is a monster...

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Ready for a drag race when you are ;)

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Ready for a drag race when you are ;)

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I'd have to ride the sv 650 too be close!

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Nah. Off the line to the first corner maybe even with an SV. Ninja 400 over a long distance to top speed, itll be even. You can ride it and see if you want Sat morning.

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