CBR 1000RR sets new speeding ticket record

Unlicensed Rider Arrested For Allegedly Going 205 mph In Minnesota

Copyright 2004, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.

An unlicensed rider of a “Honda 1000” was arrested September 18 for riding at 205 mph on U.S. Highway 61 near Wabasha, Minnesota, according to the September 21 online edition of the St. Paul (Minnesota) Pioneer Press.

The 20-year-old rider, who is the son of a law enforcement officer, was hand-timed over a marked quarter-mile distance by a Highway Patrol pilot flying overhead. The elapsed time was converted into 205 mph by the pilot.

The posted speed limit was 65 mph.

To read the full story, follow this link:

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/


At post time, Roadracingworld.com was unable to contact the rider to determine what laws of physics had been repealed, allowing him to get a streetbike to go 205 mph.

Unlicensed Rider Arrested For Allegedly Going 205 mph In Minnesota

Copyright 2004, Roadracing World Publishing, Inc.

An unlicensed rider of a “Honda 1000” was arrested September 18 for riding at 205 mph on U.S. Highway 61 near Wabasha, Minnesota, according to the September 21 online edition of the St. Paul (Minnesota) Pioneer Press.

The 20-year-old rider, who is the son of a law enforcement officer, was hand-timed over a marked quarter-mile distance by a Highway Patrol pilot flying overhead. The elapsed time was converted into 205 mph by the pilot.

The posted speed limit was 65 mph.

To read the full story, follow this link:

http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/


At post time, Roadracingworld.com was unable to contact the rider to determine what laws of physics had been repealed, allowing him to get a streetbike to go 205 mph.

I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I contend that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I contend that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

You know what they say about the B.S. you read on the internet..... It's usually B.S.


In 93 I was arrested for Speeding in excess of 130mph...
The State Trooper informed me his radar only went up to 130mph. They can't calibrate radar to speeds higher than that because they read some type of frequency. Radar guns (at least back then) are actually calibrated with tuning forks set at specific frequencies.

Now days Laser is coming on the scene... It is only acurrate if the person using it is at a perfect standstill.... As far as a stopwatch goes start and stop points are points that are not regulated unless the person rides over a trip sensor....

Stop watches don't hold up in Court....

You know what they say about the B.S. you read on the internet..... It's usually B.S.


In 93 I was arrested for Speeding in excess of 130mph...
The State Trooper informed me his radar only went up to 130mph. They can't calibrate radar to speeds higher than that because they read some type of frequency. Radar guns (at least back then) are actually calibrated with tuning forks set at specific frequencies.

Now days Laser is coming on the scene... It is only acurrate if the person using it is at a perfect standstill.... As far as a stopwatch goes start and stop points are points that are not regulated unless the person rides over a trip sensor....

Stop watches don't hold up in Court....

I really appreciated this quote from the paper, and so will you:

"The culprit turned out be Samuel Armstrong Tilley, 20, of Stillwater, who is either completely goofy or is a professional, there often being little distinction if you have seen a professional drag his knee around an S-curve."

The Wild Bunch syndrome lives on...

I really appreciated this quote from the paper, and so will you:

"The culprit turned out be Samuel Armstrong Tilley, 20, of Stillwater, who is either completely goofy or is a professional, there often being little distinction if you have seen a professional drag his knee around an S-curve."

The Wild Bunch syndrome lives on...

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher Corder:
I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I content that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

OK, call it 185. This is not good for motorcyclists, and gets the anti-sport biking blood running hot.

Moral of the story: Never try to run a chopper (at least the kind that is designed primarily for flight).

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher Corder:
I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I content that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

OK, call it 185. This is not good for motorcyclists, and gets the anti-sport biking blood running hot.

Moral of the story: Never try to run a chopper (at least the kind that is designed primarily for flight).

First we had the SUV "allegedly" being run off the road by sportbike hooligans & now this. It won't be long before the media figures out that covering anything negative about motorcycles makes for good press.

First we had the SUV "allegedly" being run off the road by sportbike hooligans & now this. It won't be long before the media figures out that covering anything negative about motorcycles makes for good press.

The media in England has been on to this for years. You figure it has to spread to America eventually, like socialized medicine and, God forbid one day, warm beer and gatso cameras.

The media in England has been on to this for years. You figure it has to spread to America eventually, like socialized medicine and, God forbid one day, warm beer and gatso cameras.

It is called VASCAR and it does hold up in court.
VASCAR
David

It is called VASCAR and it does hold up in court.
VASCAR
David

Dave,

I believe that Vascar is legit, but it sounds terrible in terms of accuracy!! How can a cop get an accurate mark of two points the speeder passes and then mark his car to those points. It's like looking at the speedo from the passenger seat, You can't see the acurate needle position unless you are in the drivers seat. Seems to me he could be off on his points of measurement by a long shot, what is the accuracy +/- 20mph???

Dave,

I believe that Vascar is legit, but it sounds terrible in terms of accuracy!! How can a cop get an accurate mark of two points the speeder passes and then mark his car to those points. It's like looking at the speedo from the passenger seat, You can't see the acurate needle position unless you are in the drivers seat. Seems to me he could be off on his points of measurement by a long shot, what is the accuracy +/- 20mph???

Well, I don't know the VASCAR acronym, but 205 mph over a quarter mile takes 4.4 seconds. 20 mph is roughly 10% error or 0.4 second error in timing over that distance. (4.8 sec over 1/4 mile comes to 187.7 mph). I'd think from a helicopter, your "parallax" error is minimal and you could probably time within 0.1 second *if you wanted to*. Note that 70 mph over that distance comes to 12.86 seconds, way different than four-point-something.

Well, I don't know the VASCAR acronym, but 205 mph over a quarter mile takes 4.4 seconds. 20 mph is roughly 10% error or 0.4 second error in timing over that distance. (4.8 sec over 1/4 mile comes to 187.7 mph). I'd think from a helicopter, your "parallax" error is minimal and you could probably time within 0.1 second *if you wanted to*. Note that 70 mph over that distance comes to 12.86 seconds, way different than four-point-something.

Loren, You just push a button between two measured points or if you are moving you do it for the target vehicle and then again for yours. If you are in the moving mode the system measures the distance and the police units speed it then does the math using the target vehicles time for the same distance.
David, The acronym stands for Visual Average Speed Computer and Recorder. The distance can be anything that is measured. It the case of this motorcycle it might have been a distance greater than 1/4 mile. I do not know of its use in Texas as DPS does not run traffic using aircraft that I know of. Many states and other countries do use it in vehicles and aircraft. The next time you are driving through Florida, Georgia or Austrailia pay attention to those white stripes on the Hwy. They are start and stop marks for aircraft using VASCAR. People will make arguments about errors but when they do the math they use a short distance which makes the error look larger than it probably was.
As far as error in pushing the button goes everyone here uses a stop watch at the track we are usually pretty close on the times.
Interesting story.
David

Loren, You just push a button between two measured points or if you are moving you do it for the target vehicle and then again for yours. If you are in the moving mode the system measures the distance and the police units speed it then does the math using the target vehicles time for the same distance.
David, The acronym stands for Visual Average Speed Computer and Recorder. The distance can be anything that is measured. It the case of this motorcycle it might have been a distance greater than 1/4 mile. I do not know of its use in Texas as DPS does not run traffic using aircraft that I know of. Many states and other countries do use it in vehicles and aircraft. The next time you are driving through Florida, Georgia or Austrailia pay attention to those white stripes on the Hwy. They are start and stop marks for aircraft using VASCAR. People will make arguments about errors but when they do the math they use a short distance which makes the error look larger than it probably was.
As far as error in pushing the button goes everyone here uses a stop watch at the track we are usually pretty close on the times.
Interesting story.
David

I call BS on the BS comment.
The new mag out this month talks about some dude across the pond that tweaked a 1000RR that tips over the 200mph mark and can be had for about 36K!

I call BS on the BS comment.
The new mag out this month talks about some dude across the pond that tweaked a 1000RR that tips over the 200mph mark and can be had for about 36K!

Just because you can go 205mph doesn't mean you should...

Most of today's current crop of liter bikes, and a few others like the big Kawasaki's and the 'Busa can pull top speeds around 190mph with very little modification. Spending another few grand will get you over the 200mph mark. Spending $30K - $40K will get you up to the high 230's... past that, life gets a lot harder and more expensive.

Unlike a GP bike, "all" you need to be able to do here is go fast in a straight line. The extra bucks for chassis development, suspension components, and handling twisties at high speed don't matter much, so its not the same kind of megabuck investment as a GP bike. Most of the builders for the really fast straight line bikes are building on an already hyperfast (in relative terms) platform.

If you've tried drag racing a big bike, you know its not easy to ride a machine this fast, even if it is mechanically capable. Things like turbos, extended swing-arms, strapped front forks, and the like are what it takes to make speeds in the 200mph+ zone, at least in a way that's stable. Take a look at the September '04 copy of Sport Rider if you have one handy - there are a couple of good write-ups about what it takes to get to the 200mph club using a ZX-12R and a 'Busa... get ready for sticker shock.

My take on this is that its not total BS - there may be some error in the computed top speed, but the guy was probably hauling butt... the bigger wonder is the traffic enforcement aircraft - even a fast small aircraft like a Mooney would have trouble keeping up with something moving 200mph... what are the troopers in MN flying these days?

I would also hate to be this guy... unless he's got some really good lawyers, and lots 'a money, he will have plenty of time to reflect on his record-breaking ticket in the Twin Cities pokey.

Just because you can go 205mph doesn't mean you should...

Most of today's current crop of liter bikes, and a few others like the big Kawasaki's and the 'Busa can pull top speeds around 190mph with very little modification. Spending another few grand will get you over the 200mph mark. Spending $30K - $40K will get you up to the high 230's... past that, life gets a lot harder and more expensive.

Unlike a GP bike, "all" you need to be able to do here is go fast in a straight line. The extra bucks for chassis development, suspension components, and handling twisties at high speed don't matter much, so its not the same kind of megabuck investment as a GP bike. Most of the builders for the really fast straight line bikes are building on an already hyperfast (in relative terms) platform.

If you've tried drag racing a big bike, you know its not easy to ride a machine this fast, even if it is mechanically capable. Things like turbos, extended swing-arms, strapped front forks, and the like are what it takes to make speeds in the 200mph+ zone, at least in a way that's stable. Take a look at the September '04 copy of Sport Rider if you have one handy - there are a couple of good write-ups about what it takes to get to the 200mph club using a ZX-12R and a 'Busa... get ready for sticker shock.

My take on this is that its not total BS - there may be some error in the computed top speed, but the guy was probably hauling butt... the bigger wonder is the traffic enforcement aircraft - even a fast small aircraft like a Mooney would have trouble keeping up with something moving 200mph... what are the troopers in MN flying these days?

I would also hate to be this guy... unless he's got some really good lawyers, and lots 'a money, he will have plenty of time to reflect on his record-breaking ticket in the Twin Cities pokey.

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Road Racing World Reader Response

I thought a more appropriate title for this thread would have been....
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Well, this story made the 6 o'clock news in HOUSTON last night. But the airs were humorous, re: a new speeding ticket record, and comments that they don't think they would try and go that fast even in a car, chuckle, chuckle....

No mothers against sport bikes quotes or legislatural types spewing political rhetoric.

Couldn't help tossing an e-mail at the newspaper article's author in review of his journalistic excesses. I may need to get a life....

Well, this story made the 6 o'clock news in HOUSTON last night. But the airs were humorous, re: a new speeding ticket record, and comments that they don't think they would try and go that fast even in a car, chuckle, chuckle....

No mothers against sport bikes quotes or legislatural types spewing political rhetoric.

Couldn't help tossing an e-mail at the newspaper article's author in review of his journalistic excesses. I may need to get a life....

205 on a public road. God Bless Him. He deserves the ticket regardless if it was 168 or 205. But a Lightly modded street bike ain't gonna go that fast.

Branyon, you had to bring up parralax didn't you? I think the aircrafts altitude/speed/point of reference might have somthing to do with a descrepancy but more likley the start/stop on the lines on the ground. .5 second error on the stop watch would lower top speed from 205 to around 180 and a whole second descrepancy drops it to around 168-170 so ...

205 on a public road. God Bless Him. He deserves the ticket regardless if it was 168 or 205. But a Lightly modded street bike ain't gonna go that fast.

Branyon, you had to bring up parralax didn't you? I think the aircrafts altitude/speed/point of reference might have somthing to do with a descrepancy but more likley the start/stop on the lines on the ground. .5 second error on the stop watch would lower top speed from 205 to around 180 and a whole second descrepancy drops it to around 168-170 so ...

....he's still screwed.

....he's still screwed.

Good thing he wasn't in South Dakota and running into a politician's car at that speed and killing someone...

He'll probably serve more time, knowing our justice system.

Good thing he wasn't in South Dakota and running into a politician's car at that speed and killing someone...

He'll probably serve more time, knowing our justice system.

So.. as it turns out, it was an RC51 "heavily modified" with a slip-on.

The guy defending himself on SBN: http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/sho...7&page=5&pp=15

So.. as it turns out, it was an RC51 "heavily modified" with a slip-on.

The guy defending himself on SBN: http://www.sportbikes.net/forums/sho...7&page=5&pp=15

Yeah, VASCAR works and holds up, etc. I got a ticket in AZ with it.

Just as the officers are trained to use radar and lidar, they are trained to use VASCAR. The road is marked with stripes and they fly up behind you and keep the same distance/angle from you and clock you when you pass the start and end points, therefore, keeping parralax to a minumum.

After they got a speed on me, They sent a trooper out to write me up. I actuall saw the trooper WAY in advance and slowed down, but it was too late by then.

Oh well

Yeah, VASCAR works and holds up, etc. I got a ticket in AZ with it.

Just as the officers are trained to use radar and lidar, they are trained to use VASCAR. The road is marked with stripes and they fly up behind you and keep the same distance/angle from you and clock you when you pass the start and end points, therefore, keeping parralax to a minumum.

After they got a speed on me, They sent a trooper out to write me up. I actuall saw the trooper WAY in advance and slowed down, but it was too late by then.

Oh well

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher Corder:
I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I contend that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

How do you 'contend' that Chris? If you had a mil and wanted to make a street bike that fast, why couldn't you?

It's not really that hard. GP bikes cost beaucoup $ because they are light, fast, handle like crazy, etc. If all you want to do is go fast in a str8 line, all you need is HP. Hayabusa is almost there and you can get somewhere on the order of 300hp out of that motor with a turbo.

205? done deal.

Quote:

Originally posted by Christopher Corder:
I call BS on the cop. A motogp bikes cost around $1 million and can go just over 200mph. I contend that there is no possible way to make a CBR1000 go 205.

How do you 'contend' that Chris? If you had a mil and wanted to make a street bike that fast, why couldn't you?

It's not really that hard. GP bikes cost beaucoup $ because they are light, fast, handle like crazy, etc. If all you want to do is go fast in a str8 line, all you need is HP. Hayabusa is almost there and you can get somewhere on the order of 300hp out of that motor with a turbo.

205? done deal.

Yeah, I agree w/Derek -- 205 on relatively straight roads not a real big problem as long as you don't also require the light weight, durability, and fine handling like the GP bikes require.

Yeah, I agree w/Derek -- 205 on relatively straight roads not a real big problem as long as you don't also require the light weight, durability, and fine handling like the GP bikes require.