Shortening of sprint races . . .

[Ronnie]

Shat happens . . . I'm not casting blame, and do not claim to have a solution, but the now-common practice of shortening the already extremely brief sprints is a very undesireable option to dealing with raceday problems. What can be done to fix this? Its hard to say that a four-lap sprint at TWS is even worth the trip. I would be in favor of dropping classes from the roster, including ones I now race in, if it would fix this problem. This is a very bothersome issue.

Ronnie - Exp. #60

[Ronnie]

Shat happens . . . I'm not casting blame, and do not claim to have a solution, but the now-common practice of shortening the already extremely brief sprints is a very undesireable option to dealing with raceday problems. What can be done to fix this? Its hard to say that a four-lap sprint at TWS is even worth the trip. I would be in favor of dropping classes from the roster, including ones I now race in, if it would fix this problem. This is a very bothersome issue.

Ronnie - Exp. #60

[cedestech]

Ronnie I feel your pain. All the classes and events added this year as far as I know have been
before the lunch break. The actual race day classes from lunch on haven't been changed.
This weekend was huge with entries and a abnormal
amount of red flags and I can't remember the last time the races were delayed on a Sunday with
both ambulances being gone. It would be easier if the CMRA did the AMA thing and cut everything down to a few classes but it wouldn't
be club racing then. The bikes you, me and your
brother race wouldn't even be eligable.
Trust me, they (the CMRA) weren't any happier about going into the dark and postfoning a race
anymore then anyone else.

It'll get better or they will tweak something because no one wants to be there after dark.

[cedestech]

Ronnie I feel your pain. All the classes and events added this year as far as I know have been
before the lunch break. The actual race day classes from lunch on haven't been changed.
This weekend was huge with entries and a abnormal
amount of red flags and I can't remember the last time the races were delayed on a Sunday with
both ambulances being gone. It would be easier if the CMRA did the AMA thing and cut everything down to a few classes but it wouldn't
be club racing then. The bikes you, me and your
brother race wouldn't even be eligable.
Trust me, they (the CMRA) weren't any happier about going into the dark and postfoning a race
anymore then anyone else.

It'll get better or they will tweak something because no one wants to be there after dark.

[Michael Hamric]

Our primary problem this month is central standard time (it gets dark too early). Next month we will have another hour, BUT, if we combined more of the obscure classes we could cut the number of races. I would not want to see any classes eliminated because diversity is what makes this club so much fun. However, a race with less than 10 riders on the track is not very good time management. Even 20 riders on the grid is small.

I have heard comments about safety and closing speeds and that is a very important concern, but unless you combine minis with big bikes, the closing speeds will not be any greater than some of those encountered on Saturday in the endurance race (which grids more than 40 every race). The extra 30 minutes would have bought enough time to see an extremely competitive MMS Am race yesterday!

Any thoughts?

MH

[Michael Hamric]

Our primary problem this month is central standard time (it gets dark too early). Next month we will have another hour, BUT, if we combined more of the obscure classes we could cut the number of races. I would not want to see any classes eliminated because diversity is what makes this club so much fun. However, a race with less than 10 riders on the track is not very good time management. Even 20 riders on the grid is small.

I have heard comments about safety and closing speeds and that is a very important concern, but unless you combine minis with big bikes, the closing speeds will not be any greater than some of those encountered on Saturday in the endurance race (which grids more than 40 every race). The extra 30 minutes would have bought enough time to see an extremely competitive MMS Am race yesterday!

Any thoughts?

MH

[UglyR6]

yep, i missed the mwss race too. oh well.
i at least know i have a "free" race come next time at TWS.

The upside? the sun is staying out longer, so chances are this wont happen again anyway. sunset in the dallas area this weekend was around 630 officially. sunset in mid april will be about 7pm. dont you just love spring and summer? [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[UglyR6]

yep, i missed the mwss race too. oh well.
i at least know i have a "free" race come next time at TWS.

The upside? the sun is staying out longer, so chances are this wont happen again anyway. sunset in the dallas area this weekend was around 630 officially. sunset in mid april will be about 7pm. dont you just love spring and summer? [img]/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif[/img]

[Bryan Norton]

We are looking into both short term, and long term solutions to cram it all in.

Shortening of races is nothing new. I remember 4 lap races on the SHORT track.

At least by flipping the schedule every other race it is not always the same classes getting shortchanged. I agree though that it is unfair to keep shortening races.

Now if ya'll would quit crashing, everything would be fine.

Just kidding.

One other note, even though we added classes, we did NOT add any races to the schedule. We have been running 21 races on Sunday for a few years now. We eliminated the Prov Nov race in order to add Motard/Vintage.

Elimination of the smallest classes to give us extra time is not a good idea. This is counterproductive...Let me give an extreme example-
We could eliminate all the support classes such as Supersingles, Vintage/Motard/Classic, etc and just leave the 600cc and 750cc classes.
That would give us the most profit, and plenty of extra daylight.

But the CMRA has always been about club racing and about being able to race just about any bike manufactured.

I think there are better alternatives than eliminating whole classes. This might include moving some to Saturday, or only racing some classes at certain tracks.

I would like some input on a suggestion someone gave at TWS

(should we run Mini and Motard at TWS?) Why not only run these classes at Cresson/Oak Hill, and one Hallett? This would still give 6 races for the year.
These could be run on Saturday - especially at Oak Hill since we do not run big bike endurance there.

[Bryan Norton]

We are looking into both short term, and long term solutions to cram it all in.

Shortening of races is nothing new. I remember 4 lap races on the SHORT track.

At least by flipping the schedule every other race it is not always the same classes getting shortchanged. I agree though that it is unfair to keep shortening races.

Now if ya'll would quit crashing, everything would be fine.

Just kidding.

One other note, even though we added classes, we did NOT add any races to the schedule. We have been running 21 races on Sunday for a few years now. We eliminated the Prov Nov race in order to add Motard/Vintage.

Elimination of the smallest classes to give us extra time is not a good idea. This is counterproductive...Let me give an extreme example-
We could eliminate all the support classes such as Supersingles, Vintage/Motard/Classic, etc and just leave the 600cc and 750cc classes.
That would give us the most profit, and plenty of extra daylight.

But the CMRA has always been about club racing and about being able to race just about any bike manufactured.

I think there are better alternatives than eliminating whole classes. This might include moving some to Saturday, or only racing some classes at certain tracks.

I would like some input on a suggestion someone gave at TWS

(should we run Mini and Motard at TWS?) Why not only run these classes at Cresson/Oak Hill, and one Hallett? This would still give 6 races for the year.
These could be run on Saturday - especially at Oak Hill since we do not run big bike endurance there.