ok guys, brace yourselves:
i contacted the bod directly and here's the answer.
the bod voted unanimously to use WERA's rule which states that amatuers are allowed to sprint 1000cc twins and 750cc fours. so no 1000 cc fours in sprint races for amateurs. but it looks like amateurs might be able to endurance race them.
they also suggested that amatuers from 2003 on big bikes can elect to become experts for 2004 so they wont have to switch.
at least you're not finding out at the last minute.
So a first or second or third year amateur CANNOT race a liter bike? Is there really THAT much of a difference between a 135HP GSXR750 and a 140HP R1? Though I don't entirely disagree with the decision, I would be interested in hearing the points made against allowing this. Anybody on the BOD care to comment on this?
The Short Bus Races Again!
So does that mean they'll be eliminating the Unlimited SS class all together? No need for it now.
With all due respect, that was a stupid decision. As Joe said, what is the difference between a modified Gixxer 750 and an R1. What about that nice looking GS1000 in HW Classic? Will that be allowed to run?
Maybe they (the BOD) anticipate the new crop of 1000cc inlines to to be head and shoulders above previous examples (I doubt it) but to let amateurs race 1000cc bikes in the endurance events but no the sprints makes no sense to me.
Additionally, the prospect of a rider voluntarily moving up to expert just so the rider can compete on the motorcycle they have makes no sense either. If it's that easy to become an expert, then lets just make everyone an expert and use multi-wave starts for all classes.
Mike Nellis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Mike Nellis:
So does that mean they'll be eliminating the Unlimited SS class all together? No need for it now.
With all due respect, that was a stupid decision. As Joe said, what is the difference between a modified Gixxer 750 and an R1. What about that nice looking GS1000 in HW Classic? Will that be allowed to run?
Maybe they (the BOD) anticipate the new crop of 1000cc inlines to to be head and shoulders above previous examples (I doubt it) but to let amateurs race 1000cc bikes in the endurance events but no the sprints makes no sense to me.
Additionally, the prospect of a rider voluntarily moving up to expert just so the rider can compete on the motorcycle they have makes no sense either. If it's that easy to become an expert, then lets just make everyone an expert and use multi-wave starts for all classes.
What is the rationale for the vote in the first place? Was it a vote just for the sake of compliance with WERA? If so, why is that important or necessary that an independent body like CMRA follow WERA?</div></div>Not that this decision will affect a large number of current riders since I count only about 5 1000cc bikes that would be affected anyway. Once again, it begs the question of why the vote was even necessary? Was it to protect future 1000 cc riders from themselves?
Mike Nellis
Our team this year raced a 1000. We had no issues at all and stayed off the ground all year. Does this mean that we as novices can't handle the same bike in a sprint? We are okay to play around all other classes and skill levels for hours at a time but not in a sprint. Strange rule for sure.
Fifth Element Racing
Ok, so I just finished all of my prov nov stuff on my 2000 R1 and now have to sell my race bike or move up to expert? This is not my street bike in race glass this is my RACEBIKE, so now what?
BD
DIE LIVING!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Brian Fox #727:
Ok, so I just finished all of my prov nov stuff on my 2000 R1 and now have to sell my race bike or move up to expert? This is not my street bike in race glass this is my RACEBIKE, so now what?
BD </div></div>Guess what? You get to race with the experts next year if you want to race the R1. The other option is to find some friend and Endurance race it where you'll be safe (sarcasim intentional). You know what else? This is just a guess on my part but if you want to race the R1, now you get to petition CMRA to bump you to the expert class and justify why your skill and experience justifies that bump.
Make sure you get at least one race in this year on the R1 because then, based on Paige's conversation with one or more of the BOD's, all you'll have to do is tell them you're on a 1000cc bike and they'll let you race with the experts.
I'm getting a little carried away on purpose here to make my point.......it doesn't make sense.
Mike Nellis
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Mike Nellis:
[QUOTE]I'm getting a little carried away....</div></div>Are you going to be a novice next year?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Ty Stranger-Thorsen:
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Originally posted by Mike Nellis:
[QUOTE]I'm getting a little carried away....</div></div>Are you going to be a novice next year?
I don't know why, but the idea of limiting the size of bike a ride can compete on just tweaks my nose the wrong way. I hear it all the time when a bunch of street riders get together and say things to a potentialy new or inexperienced rider about how they have no business on that big bore bike. I say, stat the pro's/con's and merits of the different size bike and, unless there is a proven safety risk, let the rider make their choice.
Again, based on the number of 1000cc in-line fours competing in amateurs this year, most have chosen wisely but for those that ride 1000cc they're have the time of their lives probably.
Mike Nellis
anyone notice speedvision doesn't play much motorcycle racing anymore???
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