Originally Posted by Dennis King
I dont understand all these stupid letters the kids on the internet are using these days.
I dont understand all these stupid letters the kids on the internet are using these days.
You never know with Dennis, but after a google search seems it means "read the effing rulebook."
I'd say if 2 people out of 45+ riders jump, then the fault lies with those two riders.
Well.. I was one of the ones that missed the start from the 2nd wave. I didn't think they would allow them to re-grid (rule book) but since they were coming back toward us instead of moving off directly left I thought I was just stupid (wow there is an opening) and that they were going to be allowed to re-grid for some reason.. so I missed the start looking at them coming back toward us.. live and learn.. maybe the key thing is in this situation and riders are being asked to move to make sure it is directly sideways and pointed in the track direction..and a complete restart from initial flag-to-light so the process is identical to a normal start... it's easy to 2nd guess things after the fact.. in the moment mistakes happen.. we learn.. improve.. and move on.. looking forward to the next race. When I think about all the issues with riders going down, due to track surface conditions, and how well the afternoon ended up being I am still in awe of the CMRA organization operations.
Regards,
PREFACE - in both the 'hypothetical' and 'real' world I'm buried in registration so I rarely see what happens on the track (I wasn't a witness to this 'hypothetical'). Also, I'm not an "on track" official so my questions in this regard are genuine, for my own education....
HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO -
1) racers roll to the grid after warm-up lap
2) grid is 'set' and starter begins start procedure
3) first wave launches
>>> FIRST QUESTION - at that point (a wave has launched and is 'on the track') the track is "HOT", is it not? ["yes" or "no" answer]
HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO CONTINUED -
4) some second wave riders are signaled to stop by starter (a signal they apparently understand, but being "young riders" and suffering some "confusement" they don't know what to do after understanding the 'stop')
5) suffering "confusement" the riders "turn around on the grid"....
>>> SECOND QUESTION PREFACE - I've long had the understanding that a (if not "The") cardinal rule, pounded into students at all schools, is that one Never Never Never runs counter-flow on a hot track; that regardless of the degree of "confusement" one suffers, this cardinal rule shall never be violated.
>>> SECOND QUESTION - Is there in fact ANY scenario where a rider should ever contemplate running counter-flow on a hot track? ["yes" or "no" answer; if "yes", I'd appreciate an explanation for my continuing education]
In case it is not clear, my questions have to do only with making sure I have a correct understanding in regard to what I've long held as a (The) cardinal rule regarding riding counter-flow; I'm not repeating the larger Q already asked about this hypothetical ("What should the riders have done?"), I'm just wanting clarification about one step in the scenario which appears to me to illustrate an action they "should not have done", regardless of the degree of "confusement".
TIA
Last edited by Alan Etheredge; 03-26-2013 at 02:58 AM.
Alan Etheredge, Associate and Interested Observer ~2003-2019
At-Track Registration Staff ~2003-2017; CMRA Administrator 2009.
If you jump a start,my advise will always be "pin it and try to catch the 1st wave" ..then take your stop and go or whatever penalty is levied with a smile. I am very curious to know if the 2 were told/motioned/directed to go counter race on a hot grid. this is the ONLY issue I have with the scenerio....weeeelllllll maybe a little with the smack afterwards..but mainly the counter race no no..
I didn't see anyone signal to them to turn around which is why I was surprised the race started with them coming towards us. They were on the left hand side of the grid but coming towards us.
2013 CMRA Rule Book 1-7-13
...Penalties for jumping the start are described in Section 7...So the way I read it if you jump the start and you know it, haul *** for two laps and take your stop and go, get back out and haul some more and hope you can make it up.
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Jay was one of the riders to go when he saw the lights go out. FYI, he was at the riders meeting. He has never jumped a start. I know he gets good starts, so I watch the lights. They went out, and several other people saw them go out as well. I think what was unclear was the fact that the starter was motioning with the card to either Jay and the other rider in the second wave, or at the stalled rider in the first wave. This is where the confusion came in, for Jay at least. I can't speak for the other rider. Jay thought the starter was motioning at him, so he pulled off the actual starting grid on to the hot pit lane, and was going to re-grid. As he and the other rider cleared the actual starting grid area, the entire grid was released. He sat there for a few seconds and watched everyone go by in disgust with his hand in the air, and wondered what was going on. He and the other rider then took off and proceeded with their race. He was able to work through the pack and ended up 5th. It hurt us on contingency, but most importantly it could have serious consequences for us in the points. I do not feel that he was in any danger because he was off the grid. It was just a very unfortunate occurrence.
I was in so called confusion of this start and i thought maybe the riders would be allowed back in line then the lights went out so I took off, as I was leaving the line i looked back to see If I was the only one who left but I was not the whole field left also.
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