2016 CMRA Rule Book Posted!

[Walter Walker]

Shhhhh, let them figure it out mid season.

Lol!

[Michael Snyder]

Not to make things more complicated than they need to be but I am wondering if you would consider putting some type of parameter on the "Light must be mounted and functional when machine is presented for technical inspection." ruling. For example - Light must be mounted and functional when machine is presented for technical inspection when the current weather conditions or forecast would indicate that the probability of use will be required for any portion of a practice or race day. For the purposes of this section the probability of use will be determined as the current weather forecast indicating a greater than 40% chance of precipitation for the given period on the Wed prior to a race weekend.

I know that opens up a can a worms but seems like a pre grid check would be sufficient when there is not much threat if any chance of rain.

Just an idea

[Cody Stewart]

Not to make things more complicated than they need to be but I am wondering if you would consider putting some type of parameter on the "Light must be mounted and functional when machine is presented for technical inspection." ruling. For example - Light must be mounted and functional when machine is presented for technical inspection when the current weather conditions or forecast would indicate that the probability of use will be required for any portion of a practice or race day. For the purposes of this section the probability of use will be determined as the current weather forecast indicating a greater than 40% chance of precipitation for the given period on the Wed prior to a race weekend.

I know that opens up a can a worms but seems like a pre grid check would be sufficient when there is not much threat if any chance of rain.

Just an idea

I disagree just for the fact that hopefully it won't rain the first weekend (which historically speaking, is about a 50/50 chance) so maybe all the bugs will be worked out BEFORE you need them versus everyone waiting until they think it might rain. Plus the fact that just like lever guards, some people will get to the track and not know about the new rule. Again, hopefully the first weekend is dry, but it might help those people that don't know to get one working before they need it.

Also, just from personal experience, every time I put a camera on my tail section I almost always kick it at some point. I know a lot of people do it, but I'd recommend mounting it under the tail section as opposed to on top.

And holy **** - just get a damn light and use some common sense. It's not that complicated.
-Cody

[Cody Stewart]

Walter - in the event the light is damaged in a wreck (either sprint or endurance), will they need to be repaired before being re-teched? I'm assuming there will be more leniency if it's a dry event?

What happens if it is a rain race and it stops working?

[Michael Snyder]

I disagree just for the fact that hopefully it won't rain the first weekend (which historically speaking, is about a 50/50 chance) so maybe all the bugs will be worked out BEFORE you need them versus everyone waiting until they think it might rain. Plus the fact that just like lever guards, some people will get to the track and not know about the new rule. Again, hopefully the first weekend is dry, but it might help those people that don't know to get one working before they need it.

Also, just from personal experience, every time I put a camera on my tail section I almost always kick it at some point. I know a lot of people do it, but I'd recommend mounting it under the tail section as opposed to on top.

And holy **** - just get a damn light and use some common sense. It's not that complicated.
-Cody

Umm yeah I already have my lights ordered so that's not the issue but lets say that I am brand new racer and buy a new bike sight unseen and I plan to pick up race weekend from someone else. No light is installed but otherwise good to go and there is no forecast for rain and the skies are clear so unless I think ahead (which most new racers won't know the rules well enough) I can't do the school or get my first race in even though I have a fist full of dollars to throw to the CMRA. Or for some reason the light broke or won't work when you get to the track after driving 10 hours and now I can't pass tech even if it is not likely to be used anyway. Sure you drive around whatever town to try to find something suitable I get that. Or what about the guys that just won't race if its raining (yes they exist not sure why cause it fun but).

I can just think of several scenario's that could play out to keep someone from racing on a nice clear sunny day because a the rain light. I'm not worrying as all my bikes will have installed and safety wired but can see a potential argument.

However, if its a stupid suggestion it's a stupid suggestion whatever but worth thinking about.

[Cody Stewart]

Umm yeah I already have my lights ordered so that's not the issue but lets say that I am brand new racer and buy a new bike sight unseen and I plan to pick up race weekend from someone else. No light is installed but otherwise good to go and there is no forecast for rain and the skies are clear so unless I think ahead (which most new racers won't know the rules well enough) I can't do the school or get my first race in even though I have a fist full of dollars to throw to the CMRA. Or for some reason the light broke or won't work when you get to the track after driving 10 hours and now I can't pass tech even if it is not likely to be used anyway. Sure you drive around whatever town to try to find something suitable I get that. Or what about the guys that just won't race if its raining (yes they exist not sure why cause it fun but).

I can just think of several scenario's that could play out to keep someone from racing on a nice clear sunny day because a the rain light. I'm not worrying as all my bikes will have installed and safety wired but can see a potential argument.

However, if its a stupid suggestion it's a stupid suggestion whatever but worth thinking about.

Totally understand where you're coming from. I would hope the CMRA is going to allow everyone to race, regardless if their light works or they have one at all, if it's going to be a clear day. I think that comes down to just good judgement which all the tech guys I have ever dealt with have. Having said that, I still stand by not having that spelled out in the rule book. And like I mentioned, as did you, some racers are not going to know about this rule. If it is not enforced until it's a rain day, then those same people will not know until they need it. I think the rule, as it is spelled out, will help eliminate those issues - as well as eliminate any issues of 'is my setup legal?' before they are real issues.
-Cody

[Bryan Hodges]

If someone shows up and doesn't have or can't purchase a working light then the CMRA family of racers will do what we do best: help each other out and either fix or lend them a working light and make sure that they make it to the grid.

[Michael Snyder]

All valid points Bryan and Cody, I withdraw my request for further clarification.

And BTW I ordered 5 lights just have spares in case someone needs to duct tape or zip tie one on

[Dennis King]

MAybe I misread but I thought walter said somewhere in here that the light only has to be mounted for inspection and can be removed after for dry events.

[Thomas Cocker]

Umm yeah I already have my lights ordered so that's not the issue but lets say that I am brand new racer and buy a new bike sight unseen and I plan to pick up race weekend from someone else. No light is installed but otherwise good to go and there is no forecast for rain and the skies are clear so unless I think ahead (which most new racers won't know the rules well enough) I can't do the school or get my first race in even though I have a fist full of dollars to throw to the CMRA. Or for some reason the light broke or won't work when you get to the track after driving 10 hours and now I can't pass tech even if it is not likely to be used anyway. Sure you drive around whatever town to try to find something suitable I get that. Or what about the guys that just won't race if its raining (yes they exist not sure why cause it fun but).

I can just think of several scenario's that could play out to keep someone from racing on a nice clear sunny day because a the rain light. I'm not worrying as all my bikes will have installed and safety wired but can see a potential argument.

However, if its a stupid suggestion it's a stupid suggestion whatever but worth thinking about.

So.... buy a bunch of $3 lights for the first race. Then when people show up without them..... Sell them for $50. Or don't be an *** and sell them for $3, but I like the $50 dollar idea.