UPDATED! 11/23/13 2014 Rule and Class Structure changes

[David Kobierowski]

Dang Brian! I didn't know you went though four motors either. I guess I'm very lucky! The Ninja 250 I finished in 5th overall for this season in E-Superstock and in Formula 4, I had purchased for $2,500, 2 years ago from Kevin Nolde (Rent My Ninja). I've never had to spend a dime on her, except for regular maintenance!!


Bone stock motor. This bike was raced and rented for 3 years before I bought it...and then I did a year of track days on it, and then I did a full season of sprints on it!


That's why I love the 250 class so much! I would likely only be racing TMGP if there was no CMRA 250cc class.


Unfortunately for me, I stocked up on 2 more stock Ninja 250's this season, before news of the changes were released, thinking I'd use them next season. My gamble. So, like others, I'm heavily invested in this 250 class. I hope we keep racing these baby Ninja's for many more years! They've been very affordable, easy to work on, and a total blast to race!

[Brian Millsap]

Yeah my first motor lasted a stupid long time. I bought it after it was endurance raced(and crashed) for two seasons I know of. Before that who knows. I ran into a guy at NOLA at a track day earlier this year that said it used to be his bike. Basically I had really good luck before I had really bad luck. It all evens out.

[John Black]

That 47 is at the crank... Rule of thumb is a 10% loss to the rear wheel, which, pretty much matches the 42ish I have seen on a dyno sheet... The 54 from the cup bike is at the rear wheel...

[John Black]

Brian... You are upset that you have to share the track with 300/500s... Your class did not go away, but, you are acting like someone stole your lollipop... Add in that you have no problem telling the other mini classes to pound sand... Seems silly to me

Had you been around before the cookie cutter bikes took over, you would have seen grids full of all sorts of legit minis... Ever seen what happens when a 350+lb bike with 200lbs of rider and gear gets tangled up with a true mini? The 250 always wins and hardly even gets upset... It is not fun or safe and all those bikes pretty much quit coming because of it...

Again, those of us who have been around fit awhile remember what it used to be like and now are trying to figure out how to bring our kids safely into racing.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath and try to learn something...

And like Ryan mentioned, if your bike has ever had a blinker or headlight attached to it, it is not a real race bike...

[Jesse Davis]

This is an overwhelming amount of pointless yapping.

[John Black]

You are right Jesse... This thread needs more pics of spark plugs

[David Proler]

This is an overwhelming amount of pointless yapping.

There's been a lot of this lately. I got hurt really bad and I haven't complained nearly this much.

[Christopher Corder]

Every time I here statements like "invested financially big time" or have a ton of money tied up in" or "spent a fortune on" followed by Ninja 250 I want to scream!!! I just go in a closet and beat my head against the wall!

The class we created for these bikes was called E Superstock. Modifications were limited to suspension, exhaust, gearing, jetting, and reluctantly pod air filters. That was it, nothing more.

Then we screwed up and allowed the 250s into F4 so they could be raced in Mini Endurance. Yes we screwed up because this decision ultimatly drove the true minis out of Mini Endurance. Then some took this allowance to mean that now engines could be modified since it was a Formula class. I know this for a fact because several riders and tuners asked me about it. Nevermind the fact that the rulebook clearly stated that the 250s were limited to SS rules. Other riders that did not ask started making illegal modifications to there bikes. Those that have raced ESS and F4 for a while will agree that a few bikes out there have had noticeably different exhaust notes and seemed to be much stronger than others. Since none of those riders were front runners everyone turned a blind eye to it including me. I trully regret that that decision.

Now we find ourselves in a position to start with a clean slate with two new platforms. We can make these classes true riders classes. We have a chance to keep cost and spending under control here. Sadly many of our racers today are conditioned to believe that you can't race a motorcycle without spending $10,000 on mods first. This perception is the single greatest obstical standing it the way of potential new member!

I started this thread to try and give everyone a head start on next season. Instead it has become a collection of personal agendas and pissing matches with some honest discussion and ideas mixed in. Thanks to those that participated. I will continue to add items to the list as they come up. As for weather or not we will or will not have spec classes in LW sprints or endurance or both or neither is up to the BOD now. I have to move on to other things that need my attention.

Really sorry if my usual two stroke and lightweight bike hard on contributed to that Walter. The fact is that I dont care if its just electric Harley classes. I just care that the club exists as a place for people to race, a place to watch kids grow up, and place to experience the greatest sport in the world first hand. You have my apologies for cluttering up what should have been a more serious thread. You do a wonderful job for the CMRA. Thank you for that.

[Christopher Corder]

This is an overwhelming amount of pointless yapping.

Yeah, by about 8 words.

[Alan Etheredge]

Walter, Rules does not say anythin about Brake components: Brake pads, Brake lines & Brake disc.

What is the ruling on this?

Actually Javier, the rules do cover these items...

The Classes Walter describes in his first post are "Superstock" and would be under the "Superstock" rules as modified by any exceptions/allowances listed under the class-specific description.

So, the way to read the rules is first look at the class description ("Superstock"); then look at the Superstock rules in Section 6.2; then look at the class description to see what class-specific exceptions/allowances there are different from what is in "6.2 Superstock" (the class description will 'trump' the rules in 6.2 but only for the specific items mentioned in the class description; all other items will be governed per the 6.2 Superstock rules).

Please see your 2013 Rule Book, Section "6.2 Superstock", paragraph "l)" (that's lower case "L" on page 20 in the 2013 rules) about brakes. Unless Walter changes the class description to address brakes, the default Superstock rules for brakes will apply.

Finally there's always the catch-all in the last paragraph of 6.2 Superstock (which is also 'trumped" by the class-specific description).

This is just an example, you will of course need to wait for the full 2014 Rule Book to review the 2014 requirements regarding brakes under Superstock.

Hope That Helps